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the smoke radio for the masses headline

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today july 8 1947

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the army air forces has announced that a

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flying disc has been found and is now in

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the possession of the army

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if the game is rigged change the game

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i occasionally think how quickly

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if we were facing an alien threat from

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this is fade to black with your host

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jimmy church on the game changer radio

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i need your help to get to the year

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you are listening to fate to flag with

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jimmy church on the game changer network

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for kjcr the game changer and nx

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what is cracking everybody how you doing

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a brand new week here on fade to black

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dave beatty is with us

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tomorrow night jason quit is here

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wednesday night freddie silva

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i'm telling you that movie is funny and

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as great as it is adam mckay

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closest approach

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successfully

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which will make a close encounter with

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our planet in 2029

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for this asteroid defense exercise

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all previous data on apophis were made

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inaccessible this meant that astronomers

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arizona

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followed by the asteroid terrestrial

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impact last alert system otherwise known

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as atlas

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which has observatories in chile hawaii

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and south africa

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and the panoramic survey telescope and

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rapid response system pan stars

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in hawaii

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perhaps the most important measurements

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were from nasa's near-earth objects wide

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field infrared survey explorer neowise

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and that's a spacecraft which used its

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thermal vision to accurately measure the

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size and shape of apophis it identified

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apophis as an elongated object with a

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diameter of

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886 by

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1345 feet

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this information was finally enough to

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rule out a collision in

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2029

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or for at least another

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100 years

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incredible don't look up

311
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let's get this show cracking on this day

312
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in history otd

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2013

314
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edward snowden discloses a us

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government-run surveillance program that

316
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monitored the communications records of

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not just criminals or potential

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terrorists

319
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but law abiding citizens as well

320
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like you

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on this day in 2013.

322
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then he jumped on a plane and went to

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russia fader facts

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all right

325
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are you ready

326
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trip on this

327
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i love fader facts

328
00:16:51,749 --> 00:16:49,759
here's your fader fact today

329
00:16:53,910 --> 00:16:51,759
octopuses

330
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collect coins

331
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from ancient shipwrecks

332
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to fill their homes with

333
00:17:05,510 --> 00:17:02,079
that's right

334
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they decorate their homes

335
00:17:10,069 --> 00:17:08,000
with coin collections

336
00:17:12,069 --> 00:17:10,079
and that

337
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that is your vader fact

338
00:17:20,309 --> 00:17:14,640
that's incredible

339
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again

340
00:17:24,309 --> 00:17:22,799
i i just can't do it i'm gonna i will

341
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never eat

342
00:17:27,590 --> 00:17:26,640
calamari

343
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uh

344
00:17:32,789 --> 00:17:31,360
octave no no no i'm just not gonna do it

345
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i'm not going to do it

346
00:17:37,830 --> 00:17:34,080
can't do it

347
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tonight

348
00:17:43,270 --> 00:17:41,280
dave b 80 is with us

349
00:17:49,990 --> 00:17:43,280
we have

350
00:17:52,470 --> 00:17:50,000
three different uap ufo cases that we

351
00:17:54,710 --> 00:17:52,480
are going to discuss tonight with all of

352
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you we've also got a special guest crew

353
00:17:58,630 --> 00:17:55,679
member

354
00:18:01,350 --> 00:17:58,640
um from the uss ronald reagan that's a

355
00:18:03,430 --> 00:18:01,360
surprise that will be joining us in

356
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about an hour or two as well to discuss

357
00:18:05,669 --> 00:18:04,320
this

358
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um

359
00:18:11,430 --> 00:18:08,640
this is a big deal and this is a big

360
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show tonight and i want to thank dave

361
00:18:15,830 --> 00:18:13,679
for all of his hard work and

362
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he is he has become such a part of our

363
00:18:20,470 --> 00:18:18,320
community and and tonight he is with us

364
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it's going to be a great show so stand

365
00:18:24,070 --> 00:18:22,080
by for that

366
00:18:25,830 --> 00:18:24,080
and then tomorrow night

367
00:18:29,669 --> 00:18:25,840
jason quit is here

368
00:18:31,909 --> 00:18:29,679
uh for conspiracy number we don't know

369
00:18:33,990 --> 00:18:31,919
trying to figure this out is it 9 is it

370
00:18:34,950 --> 00:18:34,000
10 is it 11

371
00:18:39,909 --> 00:18:34,960
uh

372
00:18:41,350 --> 00:18:39,919
you know i'm trying to chase this down i

373
00:18:42,990 --> 00:18:41,360
don't know what number it is well you

374
00:18:46,070 --> 00:18:43,000
know what that's part of

375
00:18:48,150 --> 00:18:46,080
conspiracy and that is tomorrow night

376
00:18:51,430 --> 00:18:48,160
very excited about that

377
00:18:54,710 --> 00:18:51,440
conspiracy it it it it's it's just

378
00:18:56,230 --> 00:18:54,720
turned into an institution it's part of

379
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fade to black so tomorrow night jason

380
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quit is here and then wednesday night

381
00:19:03,750 --> 00:19:02,400
freddie silva joins us and this is what

382
00:19:05,830 --> 00:19:03,760
is great

383
00:19:07,110 --> 00:19:05,840
freddie's got a new book out

384
00:19:08,390 --> 00:19:07,120
it's right here

385
00:19:10,549 --> 00:19:08,400
you know and freddie's one of my

386
00:19:13,510 --> 00:19:10,559
favorite guests and he's such a great

387
00:19:17,029 --> 00:19:13,520
guy and so informed but he's got a new

388
00:19:17,909 --> 00:19:17,039
book out scott scotland's hidden sacred

389
00:19:19,830 --> 00:19:17,919
past

390
00:19:22,310 --> 00:19:19,840
here's the book here uh which i've had

391
00:19:23,750 --> 00:19:22,320
for a while uh since it was uh published

392
00:19:26,390 --> 00:19:23,760
a couple of months ago

393
00:19:27,990 --> 00:19:26,400
and so freddie's back he's been uh

394
00:19:30,310 --> 00:19:28,000
touring the world

395
00:19:31,750 --> 00:19:30,320
and he just got back last week and so we

396
00:19:32,789 --> 00:19:31,760
booked this show

397
00:19:35,909 --> 00:19:32,799
and

398
00:19:39,190 --> 00:19:35,919
uh because of of his new book right

399
00:19:41,270 --> 00:19:39,200
didn't realize didn't think about it

400
00:19:43,430 --> 00:19:41,280
freddy's in our new film the black

401
00:19:45,270 --> 00:19:43,440
knight satellite i said our you know i'm

402
00:19:47,669 --> 00:19:45,280
part of the film it's it's

403
00:19:49,510 --> 00:19:47,679
it's uh certainly billy carson's new

404
00:19:52,630 --> 00:19:49,520
film and it was directed by melissa

405
00:19:53,669 --> 00:19:52,640
tiddle but freddy is amazing in this

406
00:19:56,150 --> 00:19:53,679
film

407
00:19:57,669 --> 00:19:56,160
so wednesday night i wanted to talk

408
00:19:59,110 --> 00:19:57,679
about this book

409
00:20:01,029 --> 00:19:59,120
and i think freddie wants to talk about

410
00:20:03,430 --> 00:20:01,039
the new film so i think we're going to

411
00:20:05,270 --> 00:20:03,440
get a little mix of both and that goes

412
00:20:07,830 --> 00:20:05,280
down wednesday night and then thursday

413
00:20:16,149 --> 00:20:07,840
of course is another fader night

414
00:20:25,430 --> 00:20:21,190
running on fumes

415
00:20:29,430 --> 00:20:25,440
now i want to

416
00:20:34,710 --> 00:20:32,149
i love detroit

417
00:20:36,950 --> 00:20:34,720
now my family is from michigan my mom

418
00:20:38,870 --> 00:20:36,960
and dad were both born there uh flint

419
00:20:40,549 --> 00:20:38,880
and saginaw in that area my grandparents

420
00:20:43,110 --> 00:20:40,559
lived in holly

421
00:20:44,950 --> 00:20:43,120
and i lived in kalamazoo with my family

422
00:20:47,029 --> 00:20:44,960
for a while while my dad went to college

423
00:20:49,669 --> 00:20:47,039
at western michigan

424
00:20:52,630 --> 00:20:49,679
and uh eventually graduated

425
00:20:55,029 --> 00:20:52,640
but uh you know so michigan you know

426
00:20:57,029 --> 00:20:55,039
my summers and and my aunts and my

427
00:20:57,909 --> 00:20:57,039
uncles and my family my grandparents and

428
00:21:00,390 --> 00:20:57,919
everything

429
00:21:01,510 --> 00:21:00,400
christmases thanksgivings and and all

430
00:21:04,390 --> 00:21:01,520
that stuff

431
00:21:07,350 --> 00:21:04,400
uh you know i i just love michigan but

432
00:21:08,310 --> 00:21:07,360
going back to detroit i i want to say

433
00:21:09,350 --> 00:21:08,320
this

434
00:21:12,070 --> 00:21:09,360
now

435
00:21:14,470 --> 00:21:12,080
uh to the great amazing people of

436
00:21:15,590 --> 00:21:14,480
detroit you guys rock

437
00:21:18,630 --> 00:21:15,600
and

438
00:21:20,070 --> 00:21:18,640
what a great time

439
00:21:23,190 --> 00:21:20,080
there

440
00:21:25,909 --> 00:21:23,200
just everybody's just so fun and so cool

441
00:21:29,669 --> 00:21:25,919
and so warm and i'm talking about it was

442
00:21:31,669 --> 00:21:29,679
the hotel staff it was the airport um it

443
00:21:32,950 --> 00:21:31,679
was the restaurants and the restaurant

444
00:21:34,710 --> 00:21:32,960
staffs and

445
00:21:37,430 --> 00:21:34,720
and they all knew what we were doing

446
00:21:39,510 --> 00:21:37,440
there and they were just so happy and

447
00:21:44,070 --> 00:21:39,520
and welcoming and literally rolled out

448
00:21:46,789 --> 00:21:44,080
the red carpet um now putting that aside

449
00:21:49,830 --> 00:21:46,799
saturday night now i didn't know so

450
00:21:52,149 --> 00:21:49,840
saturday night we we got together for uh

451
00:21:53,430 --> 00:21:52,159
a dinner now i had just gotten off a

452
00:21:55,029 --> 00:21:53,440
plane

453
00:21:59,190 --> 00:21:55,039
and uh

454
00:22:01,029 --> 00:21:59,200
and so i jumped into a nice black

455
00:22:02,310 --> 00:22:01,039
uh suv

456
00:22:04,230 --> 00:22:02,320
and uh

457
00:22:05,590 --> 00:22:04,240
that took me down to

458
00:22:09,110 --> 00:22:05,600
the restaurant

459
00:22:11,190 --> 00:22:09,120
in in downtown on woodward avenue which

460
00:22:13,909 --> 00:22:11,200
is a very it's probably detroit's most

461
00:22:17,110 --> 00:22:13,919
famous street it's incredible anyway

462
00:22:19,750 --> 00:22:17,120
i'm not making this up we pulled in

463
00:22:22,630 --> 00:22:19,760
and i i realized it's saturday night but

464
00:22:25,590 --> 00:22:22,640
we pulled into this madness that is

465
00:22:28,149 --> 00:22:25,600
downtown detroit it's incredible

466
00:22:30,630 --> 00:22:28,159
the restaurants the nightclubs the

467
00:22:33,430 --> 00:22:30,640
people that are out there i'm i'm i

468
00:22:35,270 --> 00:22:33,440
don't know but it felt like times square

469
00:22:36,789 --> 00:22:35,280
in new york i don't know how many people

470
00:22:38,149 --> 00:22:36,799
were down there fifty thousand hundred

471
00:22:40,149 --> 00:22:38,159
thousand i don't know

472
00:22:42,070 --> 00:22:40,159
and i guess this is just a normal

473
00:22:44,549 --> 00:22:42,080
saturday night in detroit

474
00:22:45,830 --> 00:22:44,559
having a great time

475
00:22:47,990 --> 00:22:45,840
and

476
00:22:50,310 --> 00:22:48,000
i wanted to stay

477
00:22:52,950 --> 00:22:50,320
i wanted to just stay in downtown

478
00:22:55,909 --> 00:22:52,960
detroit and walk around it was

479
00:22:58,549 --> 00:22:55,919
incredible but we had a a very busy day

480
00:23:00,950 --> 00:22:58,559
set up for sunday and

481
00:23:03,830 --> 00:23:00,960
and and and i just could none of us

482
00:23:06,390 --> 00:23:03,840
could but it was incredible to see

483
00:23:07,590 --> 00:23:06,400
and and the people it was just it was

484
00:23:10,470 --> 00:23:07,600
incredible

485
00:23:12,149 --> 00:23:10,480
and um so i just wanted to say man i

486
00:23:14,470 --> 00:23:12,159
love detroit

487
00:23:17,510 --> 00:23:14,480
it was it was incredible it was just

488
00:23:20,390 --> 00:23:17,520
incredible so now let's get to uh let's

489
00:23:22,630 --> 00:23:20,400
get to saturday

490
00:23:24,310 --> 00:23:22,640
this um

491
00:23:27,190 --> 00:23:24,320
this event

492
00:23:28,950 --> 00:23:27,200
which you know being held in detroit and

493
00:23:31,750 --> 00:23:28,960
it's a movie premiere that's out of the

494
00:23:33,430 --> 00:23:31,760
norm it's not new york it's not la billy

495
00:23:34,950 --> 00:23:33,440
could have certainly done this in miami

496
00:23:37,270 --> 00:23:34,960
in his hometown

497
00:23:39,430 --> 00:23:37,280
um but uh

498
00:23:41,510 --> 00:23:39,440
uh billy and elizabeth chose detroit and

499
00:23:44,789 --> 00:23:41,520
i'm so glad that they did

500
00:23:47,590 --> 00:23:44,799
and here's here's here's the deal

501
00:23:49,510 --> 00:23:47,600
um a lot of people from detroit uh of

502
00:23:52,149 --> 00:23:49,520
course were there uh for the premiere

503
00:23:53,510 --> 00:23:52,159
and i met i think i met everybody

504
00:23:54,710 --> 00:23:53,520
eventually

505
00:23:55,909 --> 00:23:54,720
um

506
00:23:58,710 --> 00:23:55,919
that was there

507
00:24:00,310 --> 00:23:58,720
but i met people from

508
00:24:01,830 --> 00:24:00,320
new mexico

509
00:24:03,110 --> 00:24:01,840
colorado

510
00:24:05,510 --> 00:24:03,120
washington

511
00:24:06,710 --> 00:24:05,520
new york atlanta

512
00:24:09,190 --> 00:24:06,720
texas

513
00:24:10,789 --> 00:24:09,200
illinois ohio

514
00:24:12,230 --> 00:24:10,799
indiana

515
00:24:13,909 --> 00:24:12,240
um

516
00:24:16,149 --> 00:24:13,919
pennsylvania

517
00:24:18,950 --> 00:24:16,159
all around the country

518
00:24:20,789 --> 00:24:18,960
people came in for this event uh for for

519
00:24:22,310 --> 00:24:20,799
a movie premiere

520
00:24:25,909 --> 00:24:22,320
and flew in

521
00:24:28,470 --> 00:24:25,919
and to have them come up and say jimmy

522
00:24:30,230 --> 00:24:28,480
um you know we we just flew in from so

523
00:24:33,350 --> 00:24:30,240
and so but uh

524
00:24:34,950 --> 00:24:33,360
uh you and billy uh are the reason why

525
00:24:37,669 --> 00:24:34,960
we are here

526
00:24:39,269 --> 00:24:37,679
and and just thank you and and i listen

527
00:24:41,430 --> 00:24:39,279
to the show every night

528
00:24:42,950 --> 00:24:41,440
and that what that

529
00:24:45,269 --> 00:24:42,960
you know i thought it was going to be a

530
00:24:47,269 --> 00:24:45,279
detroit michigan audience

531
00:24:49,430 --> 00:24:47,279
uh that was there no people flew in from

532
00:24:54,470 --> 00:24:49,440
all around all around the country

533
00:24:58,230 --> 00:24:54,480
and that was so much fun so cool now

534
00:25:00,470 --> 00:24:58,240
um a couple of big surprises for me

535
00:25:02,310 --> 00:25:00,480
donnie arcade and

536
00:25:04,870 --> 00:25:02,320
uh and cruz

537
00:25:06,470 --> 00:25:04,880
were there and i was hoping

538
00:25:10,070 --> 00:25:06,480
i didn't want to jinx it i didn't want

539
00:25:12,630 --> 00:25:10,080
to uh ask billy and so was donnie arcade

540
00:25:14,630 --> 00:25:12,640
uh going to be here and then have

541
00:25:16,149 --> 00:25:14,640
you know have billy go no he uh he's

542
00:25:17,909 --> 00:25:16,159
busy he couldn't make it or whatever i

543
00:25:20,390 --> 00:25:17,919
didn't want to bring it up but then

544
00:25:23,510 --> 00:25:20,400
donny gets out of this car i was like no

545
00:25:25,269 --> 00:25:23,520
way and he's got crews with him

546
00:25:26,789 --> 00:25:25,279
and um

547
00:25:28,470 --> 00:25:26,799
and i

548
00:25:30,549 --> 00:25:28,480
we hung out

549
00:25:32,390 --> 00:25:30,559
that's it man that

550
00:25:35,669 --> 00:25:32,400
that was

551
00:25:39,669 --> 00:25:35,679
it was just incredible we hung out all

552
00:25:42,070 --> 00:25:39,679
all day and all night it was so much fun

553
00:25:45,510 --> 00:25:42,080
uh donnie of course um you know

554
00:25:47,430 --> 00:25:45,520
billboard artists and just uh incredible

555
00:25:49,590 --> 00:25:47,440
but you know he wrote the fade to black

556
00:25:52,710 --> 00:25:49,600
uh theme song and

557
00:25:54,830 --> 00:25:52,720
uh just a tremendous talent and and he

558
00:25:58,310 --> 00:25:54,840
had crews with them and and this is the

559
00:26:00,789 --> 00:25:58,320
deal uh i'm just going to say this right

560
00:26:01,750 --> 00:26:00,799
now and i hope they're both listening

561
00:26:02,630 --> 00:26:01,760
that

562
00:26:05,190 --> 00:26:02,640
when

563
00:26:07,190 --> 00:26:05,200
uh donny and i first started to talk and

564
00:26:09,350 --> 00:26:07,200
hang out i brought them on coast and

565
00:26:12,470 --> 00:26:09,360
brought them on fade to black and things

566
00:26:14,230 --> 00:26:12,480
i wanted to know what cruz was like

567
00:26:15,669 --> 00:26:14,240
you know i didn't i didn't talk to donny

568
00:26:19,029 --> 00:26:15,679
about donnie

569
00:26:23,190 --> 00:26:19,039
i talked to him about cruz cruz

570
00:26:26,549 --> 00:26:23,200
his style of r b of rap and

571
00:26:29,029 --> 00:26:26,559
you know singing about consciousness and

572
00:26:32,710 --> 00:26:29,039
and history and of course aliens and

573
00:26:34,630 --> 00:26:32,720
contacting ufos and and and things

574
00:26:36,710 --> 00:26:34,640
um but

575
00:26:37,510 --> 00:26:36,720
he has got a style

576
00:26:39,269 --> 00:26:37,520
that

577
00:26:41,269 --> 00:26:39,279
just blows my mind

578
00:26:43,909 --> 00:26:41,279
and so you listen you're like this is

579
00:26:46,470 --> 00:26:43,919
great music this is just great it's well

580
00:26:47,750 --> 00:26:46,480
written it's what produced right and and

581
00:26:49,750 --> 00:26:47,760
and the voice

582
00:26:50,870 --> 00:26:49,760
but then you go and listen to the words

583
00:26:53,029 --> 00:26:50,880
so i'm

584
00:26:56,390 --> 00:26:53,039
that's the best part

585
00:26:58,549 --> 00:26:56,400
for me about donnie arcade and cruz

586
00:27:01,750 --> 00:26:58,559
and their whole little circle

587
00:27:04,310 --> 00:27:01,760
um in that

588
00:27:06,950 --> 00:27:04,320
the next generation

589
00:27:09,590 --> 00:27:06,960
is listening to this excellent music and

590
00:27:10,870 --> 00:27:09,600
the beats and the melody and and stuff

591
00:27:13,590 --> 00:27:10,880
and then

592
00:27:16,470 --> 00:27:13,600
you know are do they know what

593
00:27:18,789 --> 00:27:16,480
do they know what the lyrics are about

594
00:27:20,549 --> 00:27:18,799
and that's what i love about donnie

595
00:27:23,830 --> 00:27:20,559
arcade and cruz

596
00:27:26,310 --> 00:27:23,840
because they are introducing us our

597
00:27:27,350 --> 00:27:26,320
community all of this

598
00:27:29,269 --> 00:27:27,360
to

599
00:27:31,029 --> 00:27:29,279
the next generation

600
00:27:31,990 --> 00:27:31,039
through music

601
00:27:37,269 --> 00:27:32,000
and

602
00:27:39,669 --> 00:27:37,279
donnie well they're both artists but

603
00:27:43,110 --> 00:27:39,679
donnie's got a different approach

604
00:27:45,669 --> 00:27:43,120
and and a different style which is it's

605
00:27:48,710 --> 00:27:45,679
it's so global and it's such a a big

606
00:27:49,990 --> 00:27:48,720
sound that donnie arcade has cruz on the

607
00:27:51,909 --> 00:27:50,000
other hand

608
00:27:52,789 --> 00:27:51,919
with his style

609
00:27:53,750 --> 00:27:52,799
is

610
00:27:57,510 --> 00:27:53,760
more

611
00:27:59,590 --> 00:27:57,520
he's like ink bay malmsteen versus like

612
00:28:01,029 --> 00:27:59,600
donnie arcade would be like a stevie ray

613
00:28:04,389 --> 00:28:01,039
vaughn right

614
00:28:06,470 --> 00:28:04,399
and then you've got cruz

615
00:28:10,149 --> 00:28:06,480
you're seeing vayne malmsteen

616
00:28:12,950 --> 00:28:10,159
and and when you take a second to stop

617
00:28:13,990 --> 00:28:12,960
and listen these are deep

618
00:28:15,190 --> 00:28:14,000
deep

619
00:28:18,310 --> 00:28:15,200
songs

620
00:28:20,630 --> 00:28:18,320
and and it was just amazing for me i'm

621
00:28:23,669 --> 00:28:20,640
just saying personally i got to hang out

622
00:28:25,269 --> 00:28:23,679
with billy's son justin all all weekend

623
00:28:27,590 --> 00:28:25,279
his daughter april and of course

624
00:28:29,669 --> 00:28:27,600
everybody else and that was so cool but

625
00:28:31,669 --> 00:28:29,679
for me it was so special

626
00:28:33,669 --> 00:28:31,679
to hang out with donnie arcade and cruz

627
00:28:35,430 --> 00:28:33,679
because i have such mad respect for them

628
00:28:38,070 --> 00:28:35,440
i'm going to get cruz and donny on the

629
00:28:40,070 --> 00:28:38,080
show i want to do individual shows with

630
00:28:41,830 --> 00:28:40,080
both of them and those are going to be

631
00:28:43,669 --> 00:28:41,840
coming up and we'll feature their music

632
00:28:47,269 --> 00:28:43,679
and their videos and you can certainly

633
00:28:50,070 --> 00:28:47,279
go follow them on instagram and you can

634
00:28:52,389 --> 00:28:50,080
check check out my instagram channel and

635
00:28:54,950 --> 00:28:52,399
you can chase those guys down there too

636
00:28:57,350 --> 00:28:54,960
as well okay all right so what a great

637
00:28:59,269 --> 00:28:57,360
weekend and then

638
00:29:02,789 --> 00:28:59,279
then we did the red carpet

639
00:29:03,590 --> 00:29:02,799
um and and after that going in

640
00:29:04,630 --> 00:29:03,600
uh

641
00:29:07,350 --> 00:29:04,640
to

642
00:29:10,470 --> 00:29:07,360
this very nice theater by the way and

643
00:29:12,630 --> 00:29:10,480
sitting down and watching this film

644
00:29:14,149 --> 00:29:12,640
i'm going to say this i'm going to be

645
00:29:15,990 --> 00:29:14,159
talking about it for the next couple of

646
00:29:17,110 --> 00:29:16,000
weeks non-stop

647
00:29:19,269 --> 00:29:17,120
but

648
00:29:21,190 --> 00:29:19,279
the editing

649
00:29:23,110 --> 00:29:21,200
the music

650
00:29:25,190 --> 00:29:23,120
the content

651
00:29:28,230 --> 00:29:25,200
that is in this film

652
00:29:31,110 --> 00:29:28,240
not only world class but this is a film

653
00:29:33,909 --> 00:29:31,120
like no other about a subject

654
00:29:36,310 --> 00:29:33,919
that needs to be heard it needs to be

655
00:29:38,710 --> 00:29:36,320
seen and it needs to be known

656
00:29:41,269 --> 00:29:38,720
i can't wait for all of you to check out

657
00:29:43,990 --> 00:29:41,279
the black knight satellite gown signal

658
00:29:46,070 --> 00:29:44,000
uh the approach to it and how it was

659
00:29:47,269 --> 00:29:46,080
done and i'm just

660
00:29:49,990 --> 00:29:47,279
right now

661
00:29:51,909 --> 00:29:50,000
huge thank you to melissa tittle and her

662
00:29:53,669 --> 00:29:51,919
team and the editors

663
00:29:55,190 --> 00:29:53,679
and the graphics and the way that this

664
00:29:57,990 --> 00:29:55,200
film was put together

665
00:29:58,870 --> 00:29:58,000
it is world class it's an incredible

666
00:30:00,870 --> 00:29:58,880
film

667
00:30:03,029 --> 00:30:00,880
and watching it from beginning to end

668
00:30:04,950 --> 00:30:03,039
and after it was done you know and i

669
00:30:06,710 --> 00:30:04,960
woke up today and i was just thought to

670
00:30:09,590 --> 00:30:06,720
myself billy

671
00:30:11,269 --> 00:30:09,600
and melissa knocked it out of the park

672
00:30:13,430 --> 00:30:11,279
it's an incredible film i can't wait for

673
00:30:15,669 --> 00:30:13,440
you to see it this is fade to black

674
00:30:16,389 --> 00:30:15,679
tonight right here dave beatty is with

675
00:30:20,630 --> 00:30:16,399
us

676
00:30:21,430 --> 00:30:20,640
we've got one two three uap ufo

677
00:30:23,350 --> 00:30:21,440
uh

678
00:30:24,389 --> 00:30:23,360
cases that we are going to talk about

679
00:30:26,389 --> 00:30:24,399
tonight

680
00:30:28,950 --> 00:30:26,399
uh

681
00:30:30,789 --> 00:30:28,960
maybe you've heard of them

682
00:30:32,549 --> 00:30:30,799
probably not

683
00:30:34,310 --> 00:30:32,559
we're going to do all of that tonight

684
00:30:36,149 --> 00:30:34,320
this is fade to black i am your host

685
00:30:37,909 --> 00:30:36,159
jimmy church tomorrow night jason quit

686
00:30:40,070 --> 00:30:37,919
and then wednesday night freddie silva

687
00:30:42,149 --> 00:30:40,080
thursday's another fader night

688
00:30:44,389 --> 00:30:42,159
and i will be right back after this

689
00:30:47,900 --> 00:30:44,399
short break with tonight's guest dave

690
00:31:05,160 --> 00:30:47,910
beatty stay with me

691
00:31:05,170 --> 00:31:11,110
[Music]

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your father's radio show

751
00:34:07,509 --> 00:34:05,440
on the game changer radio network

752
00:34:08,790 --> 00:34:07,519
hi this is rob reiner from anvil and

753
00:34:17,649 --> 00:34:08,800
you're listening to jimmy

754
00:34:17,659 --> 00:34:35,750
[Music]

755
00:34:40,470 --> 00:34:38,389
all right welcome back fade to black i

756
00:34:43,030 --> 00:34:40,480
am your host jimmy church we got a big

757
00:34:45,109 --> 00:34:43,040
big show tonight

758
00:34:47,349 --> 00:34:45,119
dave beatty is with us

759
00:34:50,230 --> 00:34:47,359
now we're going to be covering three

760
00:34:52,629 --> 00:34:50,240
different cases tonight

761
00:34:54,629 --> 00:34:52,639
we're gonna deal with uh the uss

762
00:34:56,790 --> 00:34:54,639
kearsarge

763
00:35:00,069 --> 00:34:56,800
the uss ronald reagan

764
00:35:02,390 --> 00:35:00,079
we're also gonna discuss the apache

765
00:35:04,870 --> 00:35:02,400
uap video we're going to do all of that

766
00:35:06,870 --> 00:35:04,880
tonight we've got a special i'm going to

767
00:35:09,670 --> 00:35:06,880
say that right now top secret guest

768
00:35:12,870 --> 00:35:09,680
tonight too as well is going to join us

769
00:35:14,630 --> 00:35:12,880
uh at the bottom of the next hour emmy

770
00:35:17,349 --> 00:35:14,640
award-winning television producer and

771
00:35:19,910 --> 00:35:17,359
cinematographer david cb-80

772
00:35:22,310 --> 00:35:19,920
is a former broadcast journalist uap

773
00:35:24,710 --> 00:35:22,320
researcher and filmmaker his career in

774
00:35:28,069 --> 00:35:24,720
nonfiction television and documentary

775
00:35:30,069 --> 00:35:28,079
spans 25 years with production company

776
00:35:32,710 --> 00:35:30,079
dream time entertainment career

777
00:35:34,390 --> 00:35:32,720
highlights include national programs on

778
00:35:37,349 --> 00:35:34,400
the travel channel history channel and

779
00:35:40,230 --> 00:35:37,359
pbs more recently the short ufo

780
00:35:41,589 --> 00:35:40,240
documentary film the nimitz encounters

781
00:35:43,990 --> 00:35:41,599
you know you call that a short

782
00:35:45,670 --> 00:35:44,000
documentary film that was a lot of work

783
00:35:48,630 --> 00:35:45,680
that went into that

784
00:35:51,190 --> 00:35:48,640
and i don't know millions and millions

785
00:35:53,270 --> 00:35:51,200
of views on youtube his research

786
00:35:56,390 --> 00:35:53,280
includes numerous interviews with navy

787
00:35:59,030 --> 00:35:56,400
vets and analysis using foia of the more

788
00:36:01,030 --> 00:35:59,040
recent uap incursions in military

789
00:36:03,910 --> 00:36:01,040
training areas all of this continues

790
00:36:07,030 --> 00:36:03,920
with dave to this day i've got two

791
00:36:10,310 --> 00:36:07,040
articles over on medium that are linked

792
00:36:12,710 --> 00:36:10,320
below i want you to go and read those uh

793
00:36:14,950 --> 00:36:12,720
one on the kearsarge and one on the

794
00:36:16,630 --> 00:36:14,960
ronald reagan i would like to welcome

795
00:36:19,109 --> 00:36:16,640
back to fade to black

796
00:36:20,390 --> 00:36:19,119
dave beatty dave now

797
00:36:22,470 --> 00:36:20,400
um

798
00:36:23,990 --> 00:36:22,480
you have uh

799
00:36:25,829 --> 00:36:24,000
you've got your air conditioner still

800
00:36:26,940 --> 00:36:25,839
running

801
00:36:29,270 --> 00:36:26,950
i turned it off man

802
00:36:31,109 --> 00:36:29,280
[Laughter]

803
00:36:34,310 --> 00:36:31,119
it's all that high-tech gear humming in

804
00:36:37,670 --> 00:36:34,320
the background it could be yeah yeah and

805
00:36:38,710 --> 00:36:37,680
this is the deal um dave you

806
00:36:44,950 --> 00:36:38,720
uh

807
00:36:46,870 --> 00:36:44,960
i'm just gonna pick a year i'm gonna go

808
00:36:52,710 --> 00:36:46,880
2018.

809
00:36:56,790 --> 00:36:52,720
community know who you were

810
00:36:59,109 --> 00:36:56,800
uh not really i mean in 2018 um i had

811
00:37:02,069 --> 00:36:59,119
just kind of came back on the scene with

812
00:37:03,510 --> 00:37:02,079
ufos and i started these uh facebook

813
00:37:04,950 --> 00:37:03,520
groups that

814
00:37:06,630 --> 00:37:04,960
you know i actually just made them

815
00:37:08,870 --> 00:37:06,640
private for some reason i don't know

816
00:37:11,510 --> 00:37:08,880
that wasn't the best uh method of

817
00:37:14,950 --> 00:37:11,520
attracting people but um a bunch of

818
00:37:18,150 --> 00:37:14,960
people that were kind of um powerful in

819
00:37:19,670 --> 00:37:18,160
the in the sphere of ufos end up in this

820
00:37:21,190 --> 00:37:19,680
group so i had all these like

821
00:37:24,230 --> 00:37:21,200
interesting people

822
00:37:27,589 --> 00:37:24,240
um you know that were participating like

823
00:37:29,430 --> 00:37:27,599
guys from scu and mufon and and we just

824
00:37:30,790 --> 00:37:29,440
had this like little inside thing going

825
00:37:32,950 --> 00:37:30,800
on and that's when it first kind of

826
00:37:34,870 --> 00:37:32,960
started and the ball started rolling on

827
00:37:37,349 --> 00:37:34,880
the ufo thing really

828
00:37:39,349 --> 00:37:37,359
well i don't think but but now you you

829
00:37:42,310 --> 00:37:39,359
realize you're the guy

830
00:37:44,470 --> 00:37:42,320
uh do you accept the challenge

831
00:37:45,270 --> 00:37:44,480
you know because what comes along with

832
00:37:48,310 --> 00:37:45,280
that

833
00:37:50,950 --> 00:37:48,320
is you're gonna have uh both sides of

834
00:37:52,390 --> 00:37:50,960
the extreme right then you're gonna have

835
00:37:53,270 --> 00:37:52,400
the middle

836
00:37:57,190 --> 00:37:53,280
and

837
00:37:59,349 --> 00:37:57,200
are you up to the challenge

838
00:38:02,150 --> 00:37:59,359
here we are four years later

839
00:38:04,870 --> 00:38:02,160
and it hasn't gotten any easier has it

840
00:38:07,030 --> 00:38:04,880
no i mean i mean it's i don't know if i

841
00:38:08,870 --> 00:38:07,040
came up with this this term but

842
00:38:11,510 --> 00:38:08,880
they said you're really nobody until

843
00:38:14,470 --> 00:38:11,520
you're be accused of being a dis info

844
00:38:16,790 --> 00:38:14,480
agent so you know that terms

845
00:38:18,950 --> 00:38:16,800
hit me a few times already so i'm like

846
00:38:21,030 --> 00:38:18,960
hey i must done something right or wrong

847
00:38:23,190 --> 00:38:21,040
because they now i'm like i have

848
00:38:25,910 --> 00:38:23,200
somebody accusing me of being a dis info

849
00:38:28,390 --> 00:38:25,920
agent or whatever i mean i i definitely

850
00:38:30,870 --> 00:38:28,400
don't work for the cia and um i'm

851
00:38:33,349 --> 00:38:30,880
definitely not a dis info agent unless

852
00:38:35,589 --> 00:38:33,359
you know maybe um

853
00:38:38,470 --> 00:38:35,599
you know trying to like get information

854
00:38:41,589 --> 00:38:38,480
out but that's about it so well you you

855
00:38:43,349 --> 00:38:41,599
kind of look fed

856
00:38:45,349 --> 00:38:43,359
you look like somebody that would come

857
00:38:48,550 --> 00:38:45,359
up to my car and go

858
00:38:50,230 --> 00:38:48,560
uh license and registration please

859
00:38:51,990 --> 00:38:50,240
you got that look you got that i just

860
00:38:56,310 --> 00:38:52,000
got a short haircut that's all you got

861
00:38:57,750 --> 00:38:56,320
that look you got that look well now um

862
00:39:00,630 --> 00:38:57,760
okay

863
00:39:03,750 --> 00:39:00,640
let's get a little bit serious here we

864
00:39:05,990 --> 00:39:03,760
just came off of this uh ufo hearing uh

865
00:39:09,430 --> 00:39:06,000
you know back on the 17th

866
00:39:12,069 --> 00:39:09,440
which was a very very very big deal

867
00:39:13,190 --> 00:39:12,079
they played a video which i know that

868
00:39:15,190 --> 00:39:13,200
you saw

869
00:39:17,910 --> 00:39:15,200
you're a cinematographer you're an

870
00:39:20,310 --> 00:39:17,920
editor you're a filmmaker

871
00:39:22,230 --> 00:39:20,320
you do documentaries this is your life

872
00:39:25,190 --> 00:39:22,240
this is what you do as a matter of fact

873
00:39:26,710 --> 00:39:25,200
everybody i called dave last week said

874
00:39:29,190 --> 00:39:26,720
dave man i got to talk to you man give

875
00:39:32,069 --> 00:39:29,200
me a call he literally says dude i've

876
00:39:33,670 --> 00:39:32,079
been up since 5am shooting for whatever

877
00:39:36,230 --> 00:39:33,680
you know nbc

878
00:39:39,670 --> 00:39:36,240
and uh i'll call you tomorrow that's

879
00:39:42,470 --> 00:39:39,680
your life this is what you do right so

880
00:39:44,310 --> 00:39:42,480
when you saw that video

881
00:39:46,550 --> 00:39:44,320
that uh

882
00:39:47,829 --> 00:39:46,560
it was probably scott bray

883
00:39:50,230 --> 00:39:47,839
you know that picked that out i don't

884
00:39:52,950 --> 00:39:50,240
know if it was moultrie but when you saw

885
00:39:55,510 --> 00:39:52,960
that video what went through your mind

886
00:39:57,430 --> 00:39:55,520
um when i saw that video based on

887
00:39:59,270 --> 00:39:57,440
knowing what other videos have already

888
00:40:01,270 --> 00:39:59,280
been presented by the us government i

889
00:40:02,710 --> 00:40:01,280
thought to myself well maybe they didn't

890
00:40:04,309 --> 00:40:02,720
want to use the good stuff that's

891
00:40:06,230 --> 00:40:04,319
already been presented and they were

892
00:40:07,589 --> 00:40:06,240
trying to find something in their folder

893
00:40:10,230 --> 00:40:07,599
that was new

894
00:40:12,309 --> 00:40:10,240
that would basically sort of downplay

895
00:40:14,309 --> 00:40:12,319
the seriousness of this that that

896
00:40:16,069 --> 00:40:14,319
there's really kind of not that much to

897
00:40:17,430 --> 00:40:16,079
look at that this is kind of what

898
00:40:19,109 --> 00:40:17,440
they're dealing with that's kind of went

899
00:40:20,630 --> 00:40:19,119
through my mind like hey this is the

900
00:40:22,150 --> 00:40:20,640
best we got we really don't know what

901
00:40:25,190 --> 00:40:22,160
that is but you can tell that it's not

902
00:40:28,390 --> 00:40:25,200
that great you know

903
00:40:29,589 --> 00:40:28,400
well the object was an interesting one

904
00:40:31,589 --> 00:40:29,599
yeah

905
00:40:33,829 --> 00:40:31,599
uh what i was

906
00:40:36,309 --> 00:40:33,839
more surprised because it may have been

907
00:40:38,230 --> 00:40:36,319
a great video we just don't know

908
00:40:41,270 --> 00:40:38,240
because of the presentation and the way

909
00:40:42,390 --> 00:40:41,280
that they did it no slo-mo no freeze

910
00:40:43,349 --> 00:40:42,400
frame

911
00:40:46,550 --> 00:40:43,359
uh

912
00:40:48,950 --> 00:40:46,560
no screen grabs they should have had

913
00:40:50,069 --> 00:40:48,960
posters on easels in back of them like

914
00:40:53,349 --> 00:40:50,079
any other

915
00:40:55,109 --> 00:40:53,359
you know responsible uh person uh

916
00:40:56,790 --> 00:40:55,119
providing testimony you're gonna you

917
00:40:59,829 --> 00:40:56,800
know you're gonna have your your your

918
00:41:02,069 --> 00:40:59,839
stuff there uh your media on display and

919
00:41:04,950 --> 00:41:02,079
they didn't have so we don't know

920
00:41:07,109 --> 00:41:04,960
uh what that video could uh

921
00:41:08,870 --> 00:41:07,119
could have shown the world

922
00:41:10,069 --> 00:41:08,880
yeah i mean it was embarrassing to be

923
00:41:12,309 --> 00:41:10,079
honest with you if you talk about the

924
00:41:14,230 --> 00:41:12,319
technical presentation you know i was

925
00:41:15,990 --> 00:41:14,240
just kind of going oh my god don't they

926
00:41:19,109 --> 00:41:16,000
know that you can just hit the arrow key

927
00:41:20,870 --> 00:41:19,119
to like frame forward in media player

928
00:41:22,470 --> 00:41:20,880
you know they don't have a mac so i i

929
00:41:24,390 --> 00:41:22,480
guess you can go frame by frame by

930
00:41:26,230 --> 00:41:24,400
hitting the arrow key or something and

931
00:41:28,230 --> 00:41:26,240
they were trying to play and stop and it

932
00:41:29,750 --> 00:41:28,240
was like one frame this like thing flew

933
00:41:31,750 --> 00:41:29,760
by and they couldn't nail it so it was

934
00:41:34,390 --> 00:41:31,760
just this embarrassing like two minutes

935
00:41:36,790 --> 00:41:34,400
of them trying to stop it on the frame

936
00:41:38,870 --> 00:41:36,800
and no one thought in advance that the

937
00:41:41,190 --> 00:41:38,880
senators were going to be like okay can

938
00:41:43,190 --> 00:41:41,200
you show me the exact frame where the

939
00:41:45,910 --> 00:41:43,200
ufo is right

940
00:41:49,430 --> 00:41:45,920
and as a cinematographer

941
00:41:53,349 --> 00:41:49,440
you know about different uh formats

942
00:41:55,589 --> 00:41:53,359
captures uh pickup elements um

943
00:41:57,190 --> 00:41:55,599
the the hardware and software that is

944
00:41:58,790 --> 00:41:57,200
utilized

945
00:42:00,470 --> 00:41:58,800
to capture video today because

946
00:42:02,390 --> 00:42:00,480
everything is done in digital we're not

947
00:42:04,550 --> 00:42:02,400
doing analog captures

948
00:42:06,150 --> 00:42:04,560
uh anymore maybe

949
00:42:07,430 --> 00:42:06,160
some people are

950
00:42:09,510 --> 00:42:07,440
uh

951
00:42:11,030 --> 00:42:09,520
okay before i even go in that direction

952
00:42:12,950 --> 00:42:11,040
everything is digital today and you

953
00:42:17,670 --> 00:42:12,960
understand those formats

954
00:42:18,870 --> 00:42:17,680
um what do you think that the uap task

955
00:42:20,870 --> 00:42:18,880
force

956
00:42:23,190 --> 00:42:20,880
um has access to

957
00:42:28,470 --> 00:42:23,200
do they have like

958
00:42:30,710 --> 00:42:28,480
1080p or 4k high-def crisp clear awesome

959
00:42:32,790 --> 00:42:30,720
imagery to look at

960
00:42:35,670 --> 00:42:32,800
absolutely i mean

961
00:42:39,349 --> 00:42:35,680
the sensor systems on our you know

962
00:42:42,150 --> 00:42:39,359
are basically navy jets in our

963
00:42:44,230 --> 00:42:42,160
navy vessels and i'm sure air force and

964
00:42:46,790 --> 00:42:44,240
space force and coast guard everybody

965
00:42:49,990 --> 00:42:46,800
else has very sophisticated sensors and

966
00:42:53,109 --> 00:42:50,000
cameras and night vision so i mean maybe

967
00:42:55,270 --> 00:42:53,119
that um that the sensors themselves are

968
00:42:57,670 --> 00:42:55,280
all classified if you show the picture

969
00:42:59,750 --> 00:42:57,680
from the you know the sophisticated

970
00:43:01,829 --> 00:42:59,760
targeting sensor that's a classified

971
00:43:03,990 --> 00:43:01,839
camera and they can't show that so they

972
00:43:06,790 --> 00:43:04,000
had to find the video that was taken on

973
00:43:08,309 --> 00:43:06,800
somebody's iphone i mean i guess that's

974
00:43:10,309 --> 00:43:08,319
feasible but couldn't you just show some

975
00:43:12,309 --> 00:43:10,319
good stuff and maybe blur out the

976
00:43:13,829 --> 00:43:12,319
telemetry data or something right like

977
00:43:16,150 --> 00:43:13,839
they used to do when they shoot showed

978
00:43:18,790 --> 00:43:16,160
gun camera footage these kind of fuzz

979
00:43:20,550 --> 00:43:18,800
out all the speed and location and all

980
00:43:23,349 --> 00:43:20,560
that information and then just it's just

981
00:43:24,390 --> 00:43:23,359
an image at that point yeah yeah i have

982
00:43:33,430 --> 00:43:24,400
a

983
00:43:35,349 --> 00:43:33,440
goggles right

984
00:43:37,109 --> 00:43:35,359
you look through those

985
00:43:41,109 --> 00:43:37,119
and it is

986
00:43:43,030 --> 00:43:41,119
crispy crackly perfection right

987
00:43:44,950 --> 00:43:43,040
you know and so when you see these other

988
00:43:46,550 --> 00:43:44,960
night vision videos

989
00:43:48,950 --> 00:43:46,560
those are shot

990
00:43:51,270 --> 00:43:48,960
from somebody taking their cell phone

991
00:43:53,270 --> 00:43:51,280
and putting them up to the night vision

992
00:43:55,670 --> 00:43:53,280
right you know up to the goggles so now

993
00:43:57,430 --> 00:43:55,680
you're getting another generation but

994
00:44:01,270 --> 00:43:57,440
it's also out of focus and you're

995
00:44:03,670 --> 00:44:01,280
dependent on the sensors and the pickups

996
00:44:05,829 --> 00:44:03,680
that are in a cell phone which are are

997
00:44:08,630 --> 00:44:05,839
pretty good but there's a distance

998
00:44:11,270 --> 00:44:08,640
between the lens and this when you look

999
00:44:13,589 --> 00:44:11,280
through night vision first you know with

1000
00:44:16,630 --> 00:44:13,599
your eyeballs it's perfect

1001
00:44:17,510 --> 00:44:16,640
i mean it's crispy crackly clear

1002
00:44:19,750 --> 00:44:17,520
so

1003
00:44:21,349 --> 00:44:19,760
the stuff that we keeps getting from

1004
00:44:23,670 --> 00:44:21,359
from the government

1005
00:44:26,390 --> 00:44:23,680
it's not that and i know that they they

1006
00:44:27,670 --> 00:44:26,400
are in possession of of real of real

1007
00:44:30,069 --> 00:44:27,680
footage

1008
00:44:31,910 --> 00:44:30,079
you know when i was uh researching the

1009
00:44:33,750 --> 00:44:31,920
july 2019

1010
00:44:35,670 --> 00:44:33,760
incidents which by the way they showed

1011
00:44:38,150 --> 00:44:35,680
that green triangle footage that was

1012
00:44:39,670 --> 00:44:38,160
from that again they're showing

1013
00:44:41,990 --> 00:44:39,680
somebody with a

1014
00:44:43,510 --> 00:44:42,000
a cell phone holding it up against a

1015
00:44:45,750 --> 00:44:43,520
night vision that was what they were

1016
00:44:47,349 --> 00:44:45,760
showing us but i know for a fact that

1017
00:44:50,470 --> 00:44:47,359
almost every single one of those

1018
00:44:53,829 --> 00:44:50,480
destroyers has a very sophisticated

1019
00:44:55,430 --> 00:44:53,839
camera system called the mark 25 eoss

1020
00:44:57,990 --> 00:44:55,440
something like that that's up on the

1021
00:45:00,630 --> 00:44:58,000
superstructure that has all these high

1022
00:45:03,030 --> 00:45:00,640
resolution cameras and flares and like

1023
00:45:04,470 --> 00:45:03,040
you know night vision and

1024
00:45:07,270 --> 00:45:04,480
zoom lenses

1025
00:45:08,950 --> 00:45:07,280
the thing's a monster it just you know

1026
00:45:10,390 --> 00:45:08,960
and that thing is going to be recording

1027
00:45:11,829 --> 00:45:10,400
if there's if there's something in front

1028
00:45:13,270 --> 00:45:11,839
of the ship they're going to aim that

1029
00:45:15,190 --> 00:45:13,280
camera at it to look at it and they're

1030
00:45:17,109 --> 00:45:15,200
going to be recording all that now yeah

1031
00:45:19,670 --> 00:45:17,119
i get it that that stuff's classified

1032
00:45:21,829 --> 00:45:19,680
but i mean they have it for sure they

1033
00:45:23,510 --> 00:45:21,839
have much higher resolution footage in a

1034
00:45:27,190 --> 00:45:23,520
lot of these cases

1035
00:45:29,109 --> 00:45:27,200
now uh do you think um and then we'll

1036
00:45:31,510 --> 00:45:29,119
we'll move on to the keirsarge because

1037
00:45:32,470 --> 00:45:31,520
this is an incredible case

1038
00:45:34,790 --> 00:45:32,480
um

1039
00:45:37,510 --> 00:45:34,800
do you think that we will eventually

1040
00:45:38,390 --> 00:45:37,520
have access to

1041
00:45:39,829 --> 00:45:38,400
uh

1042
00:45:42,309 --> 00:45:39,839
say the nimitz

1043
00:45:46,069 --> 00:45:42,319
the nimitz footage and we're not getting

1044
00:45:48,710 --> 00:45:46,079
second and third generation most people

1045
00:45:51,270 --> 00:45:48,720
don't know and i'm going to say probably

1046
00:45:53,430 --> 00:45:51,280
nearly 100 of our community they don't

1047
00:45:55,750 --> 00:45:53,440
understand that

1048
00:45:56,790 --> 00:45:55,760
the three videos that we have been

1049
00:46:00,150 --> 00:45:56,800
watching

1050
00:46:02,230 --> 00:46:00,160
were all shot from a monitor right so

1051
00:46:03,430 --> 00:46:02,240
somebody's holding up a ca a video

1052
00:46:06,309 --> 00:46:03,440
camera

1053
00:46:08,870 --> 00:46:06,319
to a monitor and shooting that

1054
00:46:11,589 --> 00:46:08,880
it's it's not the direct you know off of

1055
00:46:13,030 --> 00:46:11,599
the hard drive off of the camera footage

1056
00:46:14,870 --> 00:46:13,040
we're looking at something that was shot

1057
00:46:16,710 --> 00:46:14,880
off of a monitor

1058
00:46:19,990 --> 00:46:16,720
do you think that the original footage

1059
00:46:21,829 --> 00:46:20,000
will ever see the light of day

1060
00:46:24,230 --> 00:46:21,839
i'm not sure it seems to me that going

1061
00:46:27,510 --> 00:46:24,240
the opposite direction where

1062
00:46:28,390 --> 00:46:27,520
uap information including

1063
00:46:30,390 --> 00:46:28,400
sensor

1064
00:46:33,270 --> 00:46:30,400
information and photographs and videos

1065
00:46:35,589 --> 00:46:33,280
is all being classified uh if it wasn't

1066
00:46:38,470 --> 00:46:35,599
before because you have to realize that

1067
00:46:40,390 --> 00:46:38,480
in the past if somebody saw a ufo

1068
00:46:42,230 --> 00:46:40,400
a lot of times it was just ignored and

1069
00:46:43,829 --> 00:46:42,240
if they had a hard drive they might copy

1070
00:46:45,990 --> 00:46:43,839
over it or videotape because they

1071
00:46:49,430 --> 00:46:46,000
weren't reporting it it was just sort of

1072
00:46:51,750 --> 00:46:49,440
like a joke and now that the you know

1073
00:46:53,990 --> 00:46:51,760
uap task force and this new office are

1074
00:46:55,990 --> 00:46:54,000
involved the navy at least is sending

1075
00:46:58,790 --> 00:46:56,000
out rules saying all of this information

1076
00:47:00,870 --> 00:46:58,800
if it anything has to do with uap is

1077
00:47:02,950 --> 00:47:00,880
classified now so do not be sharing that

1078
00:47:03,990 --> 00:47:02,960
with the media so i don't i think it's

1079
00:47:05,270 --> 00:47:04,000
going to be just the opposite

1080
00:47:07,270 --> 00:47:05,280
unfortunately

1081
00:47:11,109 --> 00:47:07,280
now what how okay so

1082
00:47:13,030 --> 00:47:11,119
the uss kearsarge um let's see let's get

1083
00:47:14,790 --> 00:47:13,040
down to dates here

1084
00:47:17,430 --> 00:47:14,800
now i was

1085
00:47:19,829 --> 00:47:17,440
uh we'll get into the data

1086
00:47:23,030 --> 00:47:19,839
what you know what was revealed and

1087
00:47:25,030 --> 00:47:23,040
there we have some slides and and

1088
00:47:27,270 --> 00:47:25,040
uh what's what's the word i want to use

1089
00:47:29,589 --> 00:47:27,280
is is is it powerpoint i don't want to

1090
00:47:31,910 --> 00:47:29,599
get rid of our skis but it's powerpoint

1091
00:47:33,109 --> 00:47:31,920
right yeah that was what was released

1092
00:47:34,549 --> 00:47:33,119
okay so

1093
00:47:39,430 --> 00:47:34,559
we'll circle back

1094
00:47:42,150 --> 00:47:39,440
um but this is recent we are sitting on

1095
00:47:44,470 --> 00:47:42,160
june 6 2022.

1096
00:47:45,510 --> 00:47:44,480
when did this incident allegedly take

1097
00:47:47,589 --> 00:47:45,520
place

1098
00:47:50,309 --> 00:47:47,599
the the incident um

1099
00:47:52,790 --> 00:47:50,319
we originally suspected took place

1100
00:47:54,230 --> 00:47:52,800
towards the end of october

1101
00:47:56,069 --> 00:47:54,240
around there in the beginning of

1102
00:47:57,270 --> 00:47:56,079
november originally the source thought

1103
00:47:59,589 --> 00:47:57,280
it might have been in the beginning of

1104
00:48:01,589 --> 00:47:59,599
november of 2021

1105
00:48:04,230 --> 00:48:01,599
and then he said also

1106
00:48:07,990 --> 00:48:04,240
the same type of thing happened in in

1107
00:48:11,829 --> 00:48:08,000
january of 2022 so it is very recent all

1108
00:48:15,349 --> 00:48:11,839
of this is very very recent so in light

1109
00:48:17,670 --> 00:48:15,359
of um we're standing on the kearsarge

1110
00:48:20,309 --> 00:48:17,680
but if we go back to

1111
00:48:23,109 --> 00:48:20,319
the ufo hearing when they listed they

1112
00:48:24,470 --> 00:48:23,119
mentioned 400 recent incidents

1113
00:48:26,710 --> 00:48:24,480
right

1114
00:48:28,309 --> 00:48:26,720
was the do you think the cure sarge was

1115
00:48:29,990 --> 00:48:28,319
part of their data

1116
00:48:33,270 --> 00:48:30,000
i think so because

1117
00:48:36,150 --> 00:48:33,280
it was i was told directly that a uap

1118
00:48:39,190 --> 00:48:36,160
task force report was submitted

1119
00:48:41,030 --> 00:48:39,200
on this incident so if that was true i

1120
00:48:43,990 --> 00:48:41,040
have not seen that

1121
00:48:47,109 --> 00:48:44,000
classified document but um i was told

1122
00:48:50,470 --> 00:48:47,119
that one was submitted okay so

1123
00:48:52,950 --> 00:48:50,480
let's let's let's go to uh the day of

1124
00:48:54,470 --> 00:48:52,960
the incident um how did how did things

1125
00:48:55,349 --> 00:48:54,480
unfold

1126
00:48:56,790 --> 00:48:55,359
well

1127
00:48:59,190 --> 00:48:56,800
just to be sure let me tell you that

1128
00:49:01,349 --> 00:48:59,200
this when i first learned about the case

1129
00:49:03,829 --> 00:49:01,359
this is secondhand information it's not

1130
00:49:06,150 --> 00:49:03,839
coming to to me directly from the vessel

1131
00:49:08,710 --> 00:49:06,160
itself it's coming to me coming to me

1132
00:49:10,950 --> 00:49:08,720
from a friend of somebody that was on

1133
00:49:13,349 --> 00:49:10,960
the vessel and that person you know

1134
00:49:15,349 --> 00:49:13,359
wants to remain nameless so that's fine

1135
00:49:19,109 --> 00:49:15,359
that person you know i vetted them and

1136
00:49:20,549 --> 00:49:19,119
they were a retired marine corps officer

1137
00:49:23,270 --> 00:49:20,559
let's just say that

1138
00:49:25,190 --> 00:49:23,280
so they contacted me behind the scenes

1139
00:49:26,150 --> 00:49:25,200
and they say hey have you heard of this

1140
00:49:28,069 --> 00:49:26,160
incident

1141
00:49:30,390 --> 00:49:28,079
um on the cure serge i said no and they

1142
00:49:31,990 --> 00:49:30,400
go let me tell you what i was told

1143
00:49:33,510 --> 00:49:32,000
and they said my buddy was on the ship

1144
00:49:35,829 --> 00:49:33,520
and that in

1145
00:49:37,829 --> 00:49:35,839
october and today we know

1146
00:49:39,270 --> 00:49:37,839
you know basically it was around october

1147
00:49:41,030 --> 00:49:39,280
26

1148
00:49:43,430 --> 00:49:41,040
they were out in

1149
00:49:45,750 --> 00:49:43,440
the atlantic ocean off the coast of

1150
00:49:47,910 --> 00:49:45,760
north carolina

1151
00:49:50,710 --> 00:49:47,920
most likely that's where they train

1152
00:49:52,549 --> 00:49:50,720
they were on this amphibious transport

1153
00:49:54,470 --> 00:49:52,559
dock ship

1154
00:49:57,430 --> 00:49:54,480
and the marines in the navy used these

1155
00:50:00,950 --> 00:49:57,440
amphibious transport ships to move

1156
00:50:03,109 --> 00:50:00,960
marine expeditionary units around and so

1157
00:50:05,270 --> 00:50:03,119
when the marines who are usually a

1158
00:50:07,829 --> 00:50:05,280
land-based fighting organization have to

1159
00:50:09,270 --> 00:50:07,839
move and train they use the navy and

1160
00:50:10,710 --> 00:50:09,280
they go on these ships that are these

1161
00:50:13,109 --> 00:50:10,720
amphibious ships so they were out there

1162
00:50:15,829 --> 00:50:13,119
working with the navy off the coast of

1163
00:50:18,150 --> 00:50:15,839
north carolina in these training ranges

1164
00:50:19,109 --> 00:50:18,160
and again we hear this time and again

1165
00:50:21,190 --> 00:50:19,119
that these

1166
00:50:22,470 --> 00:50:21,200
objects sometimes appear in these op

1167
00:50:24,549 --> 00:50:22,480
areas and

1168
00:50:26,390 --> 00:50:24,559
like off the coast of san diego with the

1169
00:50:28,470 --> 00:50:26,400
nimitz this is off the coast of north

1170
00:50:30,150 --> 00:50:28,480
carolina in the cherry point

1171
00:50:35,430 --> 00:50:30,160
region

1172
00:50:36,950 --> 00:50:35,440
ryan graves

1173
00:50:40,470 --> 00:50:36,960
reported

1174
00:50:43,829 --> 00:50:40,480
experiencing uaps from his fighter

1175
00:50:46,870 --> 00:50:43,839
squadron back in 2015 it's a similar

1176
00:50:48,710 --> 00:50:46,880
area of that ocean and what happened was

1177
00:50:52,069 --> 00:50:48,720
there was a

1178
00:50:53,190 --> 00:50:52,079
literally a 4x4 polaris all-terrain

1179
00:50:55,510 --> 00:50:53,200
vehicle

1180
00:50:57,910 --> 00:50:55,520
is parked on the deck of this

1181
00:51:01,270 --> 00:50:57,920
transport ship which is kind of a it can

1182
00:51:03,270 --> 00:51:01,280
launch like helicopters and harriers and

1183
00:51:05,270 --> 00:51:03,280
um osprey

1184
00:51:07,270 --> 00:51:05,280
you know craft off of this you know kind

1185
00:51:09,349 --> 00:51:07,280
of deck it's a flight deck yeah that's

1186
00:51:11,750 --> 00:51:09,359
the flight deck and then it can it can

1187
00:51:13,829 --> 00:51:11,760
go all the way up onto land and then

1188
00:51:15,750 --> 00:51:13,839
open up and then

1189
00:51:18,790 --> 00:51:15,760
yeah it can it can it can

1190
00:51:20,549 --> 00:51:18,800
it can open it's it's uh you know the

1191
00:51:22,549 --> 00:51:20,559
below deck and

1192
00:51:24,790 --> 00:51:22,559
amphibious elk hack

1193
00:51:27,190 --> 00:51:24,800
attack vessels can fly out and you know

1194
00:51:29,990 --> 00:51:27,200
amphibious um vehicles can come out in

1195
00:51:31,750 --> 00:51:30,000
the ocean as well so crazy crazy the

1196
00:51:33,510 --> 00:51:31,760
marines have this unit that's called

1197
00:51:35,270 --> 00:51:33,520
like a um

1198
00:51:37,829 --> 00:51:35,280
it's called a

1199
00:51:40,390 --> 00:51:37,839
ground-based air defense unit and they

1200
00:51:42,309 --> 00:51:40,400
use this truck called an lmatis truck

1201
00:51:44,630 --> 00:51:42,319
that's the acronym and these are like

1202
00:51:46,630 --> 00:51:44,640
polaris m razor

1203
00:51:48,309 --> 00:51:46,640
all-terrain vehicles really what you

1204
00:51:49,510 --> 00:51:48,319
would think like you know an all-terrain

1205
00:51:51,630 --> 00:51:49,520
vehicle

1206
00:51:54,549 --> 00:51:51,640
and the marine corps mounts these

1207
00:51:56,710 --> 00:51:54,559
anti-uas systems and radars on top of

1208
00:51:59,510 --> 00:51:56,720
these vehicles so they'll park these on

1209
00:52:01,829 --> 00:51:59,520
the deck of this transport ship

1210
00:52:03,990 --> 00:52:01,839
as air defense like an extra layer of

1211
00:52:06,230 --> 00:52:04,000
air defense and these trucks and the

1212
00:52:08,309 --> 00:52:06,240
marines that operate them can conduct

1213
00:52:09,430 --> 00:52:08,319
counter uap or count i'm sorry carney

1214
00:52:11,829 --> 00:52:09,440
uas

1215
00:52:14,150 --> 00:52:11,839
or counter drone missions as well as

1216
00:52:16,630 --> 00:52:14,160
counter air so they have a radar and

1217
00:52:19,030 --> 00:52:16,640
they also have a electronic jamming

1218
00:52:21,430 --> 00:52:19,040
system on this vehicle

1219
00:52:23,910 --> 00:52:21,440
that can take out like conventional

1220
00:52:25,829 --> 00:52:23,920
drones um you know your consumer type

1221
00:52:27,829 --> 00:52:25,839
drones or other you know probably

1222
00:52:30,870 --> 00:52:27,839
military surveillance drones that come

1223
00:52:33,030 --> 00:52:30,880
into proximity of this vehicle so around

1224
00:52:35,829 --> 00:52:33,040
october they're out there

1225
00:52:37,990 --> 00:52:35,839
and you know they're probably practicing

1226
00:52:39,589 --> 00:52:38,000
count this counter uas

1227
00:52:42,549 --> 00:52:39,599
mission that they have

1228
00:52:44,390 --> 00:52:42,559
as well as other types of training and

1229
00:52:46,309 --> 00:52:44,400
during that time period they began

1230
00:52:47,510 --> 00:52:46,319
observing these two objects that

1231
00:52:49,670 --> 00:52:47,520
appeared

1232
00:52:51,910 --> 00:52:49,680
probably close to dark i'm not exactly

1233
00:52:53,270 --> 00:52:51,920
sure what time it is

1234
00:52:55,270 --> 00:52:53,280
at this point

1235
00:52:56,630 --> 00:52:55,280
and i would imagine that it was dark

1236
00:52:58,549 --> 00:52:56,640
because they said that these things were

1237
00:53:02,309 --> 00:52:58,559
glowing objects

1238
00:53:03,829 --> 00:53:02,319
and they appeared maybe um a half mile

1239
00:53:04,950 --> 00:53:03,839
in front of the ship

1240
00:53:06,630 --> 00:53:04,960
and

1241
00:53:08,549 --> 00:53:06,640
the source told me that these objects

1242
00:53:11,109 --> 00:53:08,559
were doing what he called shackle terms

1243
00:53:12,950 --> 00:53:11,119
and that's a shackle turn in a pilot

1244
00:53:15,030 --> 00:53:12,960
vernacular is basically

1245
00:53:16,069 --> 00:53:15,040
two objects that are reversing position

1246
00:53:17,990 --> 00:53:16,079
like this

1247
00:53:19,670 --> 00:53:18,000
yeah they start here and then they go

1248
00:53:21,589 --> 00:53:19,680
like this

1249
00:53:23,589 --> 00:53:21,599
and then yeah that's uh that's very

1250
00:53:26,230 --> 00:53:23,599
straight can i okay

1251
00:53:30,069 --> 00:53:26,240
i am going to when you said you got the

1252
00:53:32,950 --> 00:53:30,079
second hand um and third hand

1253
00:53:35,910 --> 00:53:32,960
dave's also got data here so let's not

1254
00:53:38,710 --> 00:53:35,920
you know this isn't just and i've got uh

1255
00:53:43,190 --> 00:53:38,720
i'm gonna share this uh really quick

1256
00:53:45,829 --> 00:53:43,200
um and here is the ship's deck log

1257
00:53:48,069 --> 00:53:45,839
and what is great about this is this

1258
00:53:51,270 --> 00:53:48,079
entry right here

1259
00:53:52,470 --> 00:53:51,280
um i'll let you mention the time and and

1260
00:53:55,589 --> 00:53:52,480
stuff but

1261
00:53:57,030 --> 00:53:55,599
what is here is now we know right the

1262
00:54:02,150 --> 00:53:57,040
snoopy team

1263
00:54:04,390 --> 00:54:02,160
it uavs

1264
00:54:06,870 --> 00:54:04,400
yeah let me just interject because like

1265
00:54:09,270 --> 00:54:06,880
that document is not from the cure sarge

1266
00:54:13,270 --> 00:54:09,280
i put that in there basically to show

1267
00:54:15,750 --> 00:54:13,280
that the snoopy teams were dispatched

1268
00:54:17,589 --> 00:54:15,760
for this incident and so they were

1269
00:54:20,230 --> 00:54:17,599
i i'm still waiting on the kearsarge

1270
00:54:23,190 --> 00:54:20,240
stack logs but that is an example of

1271
00:54:25,910 --> 00:54:23,200
what they do when they see these objects

1272
00:54:28,390 --> 00:54:25,920
and and what the source told me was

1273
00:54:30,950 --> 00:54:28,400
they are initially thought okay

1274
00:54:32,950 --> 00:54:30,960
hey look here's some drones that the

1275
00:54:36,150 --> 00:54:32,960
navy is sending over our way to mess

1276
00:54:38,870 --> 00:54:36,160
with us let's fire up our al made us

1277
00:54:41,270 --> 00:54:38,880
truck and see if we can you know

1278
00:54:42,630 --> 00:54:41,280
affect these because you know they the

1279
00:54:45,030 --> 00:54:42,640
marines probably figured that this was

1280
00:54:47,349 --> 00:54:45,040
part of their training exercise but they

1281
00:54:48,630 --> 00:54:47,359
were unable to really impact these

1282
00:54:50,789 --> 00:54:48,640
things at all they could they had

1283
00:54:53,270 --> 00:54:50,799
trouble getting them on radar

1284
00:54:55,190 --> 00:54:53,280
and so they contacted the navy at that

1285
00:54:57,589 --> 00:54:55,200
point and they also contacted their

1286
00:55:00,230 --> 00:54:57,599
chain of command to say hey you know we

1287
00:55:02,069 --> 00:55:00,240
we spotted these objects and we're

1288
00:55:04,549 --> 00:55:02,079
having trouble you know locking them up

1289
00:55:06,789 --> 00:55:04,559
or whatever and the response was these

1290
00:55:09,109 --> 00:55:06,799
aren't these are not our drones

1291
00:55:10,789 --> 00:55:09,119
you know the navy and the marine set you

1292
00:55:12,470 --> 00:55:10,799
know the command said

1293
00:55:14,870 --> 00:55:12,480
no guys those are not part of the

1294
00:55:17,990 --> 00:55:14,880
training exercise and those are not our

1295
00:55:19,670 --> 00:55:18,000
uas systems so

1296
00:55:22,230 --> 00:55:19,680
you know that's where you know obviously

1297
00:55:25,190 --> 00:55:22,240
there now you're talking about a uap or

1298
00:55:27,270 --> 00:55:25,200
an incursion into this training area now

1299
00:55:28,309 --> 00:55:27,280
the training area is that the whiskey

1300
00:55:30,870 --> 00:55:28,319
zone

1301
00:55:33,349 --> 00:55:30,880
that's right the whiskey area okay i'm

1302
00:55:34,870 --> 00:55:33,359
gonna pull this up too as well

1303
00:55:37,109 --> 00:55:34,880
uh before we get to the break so

1304
00:55:38,950 --> 00:55:37,119
everybody understands uh what we're

1305
00:55:41,510 --> 00:55:38,960
talking about it is yeah

1306
00:55:44,309 --> 00:55:41,520
so tell everybody what we're looking at

1307
00:55:46,950 --> 00:55:44,319
so right there what looks like a a layer

1308
00:55:49,750 --> 00:55:46,960
you know like a a sheet pie can

1309
00:55:52,150 --> 00:55:49,760
pan that's been sliced up those are like

1310
00:55:55,109 --> 00:55:52,160
the training areas that are designated

1311
00:55:57,829 --> 00:55:55,119
by whiskey numbers and the big chunks

1312
00:56:01,030 --> 00:55:57,839
are like might be whiskey area 122 and

1313
00:56:03,990 --> 00:56:01,040
there's whisker is 72 up to the north

1314
00:56:06,390 --> 00:56:04,000
and the the military designates these

1315
00:56:07,829 --> 00:56:06,400
areas for specific training so

1316
00:56:10,630 --> 00:56:07,839
you know the kearsarge would have been

1317
00:56:13,349 --> 00:56:10,640
out there in one of these um specific

1318
00:56:15,190 --> 00:56:13,359
areas that are designated for

1319
00:56:17,750 --> 00:56:15,200
safety reasons that are you know they

1320
00:56:20,390 --> 00:56:17,760
can fire weapons in some other areas the

1321
00:56:22,870 --> 00:56:20,400
aircraft can fly unimpeded they'll

1322
00:56:24,390 --> 00:56:22,880
re-route commercial airlines you know in

1323
00:56:27,430 --> 00:56:24,400
the flight paths around these areas

1324
00:56:29,990 --> 00:56:27,440
during training it just provides like a

1325
00:56:32,309 --> 00:56:30,000
a safety of flight and safety of

1326
00:56:35,270 --> 00:56:32,319
maritime operation stop right there yeah

1327
00:56:39,510 --> 00:56:35,280
each one of these boxes is numbered yep

1328
00:56:41,109 --> 00:56:39,520
so uh there would be 122 or whiskey 110

1329
00:56:43,190 --> 00:56:41,119
or 122

1330
00:56:45,910 --> 00:56:43,200
but these are the areas that would be

1331
00:56:47,910 --> 00:56:45,920
the training area and so when they say

1332
00:56:50,069 --> 00:56:47,920
whiskey 122

1333
00:56:52,789 --> 00:56:50,079
it would say be this area here this

1334
00:56:55,349 --> 00:56:52,799
specific box that's right and the marine

1335
00:56:56,150 --> 00:56:55,359
corps often trains just off the coast of

1336
00:56:58,630 --> 00:56:56,160
their

1337
00:57:02,069 --> 00:56:58,640
you know cherry point marine corps air

1338
00:57:04,870 --> 00:57:02,079
station and camp lejeune is right there

1339
00:57:07,990 --> 00:57:04,880
so dunes right here yeah so that they'll

1340
00:57:09,910 --> 00:57:08,000
be out training you know you you know 24

1341
00:57:11,670 --> 00:57:09,920
7 all year long out there before

1342
00:57:13,349 --> 00:57:11,680
deployment and they that's what they do

1343
00:57:16,870 --> 00:57:13,359
they basically go out there and they

1344
00:57:18,630 --> 00:57:16,880
train um all their missions um

1345
00:57:22,309 --> 00:57:18,640
before they're being deployed and they

1346
00:57:24,150 --> 00:57:22,319
actually um were deployed in february uh

1347
00:57:26,630 --> 00:57:24,160
to the you know one of the hot spots

1348
00:57:28,390 --> 00:57:26,640
right now that's going on you know um

1349
00:57:30,470 --> 00:57:28,400
obviously the locations of some where

1350
00:57:32,309 --> 00:57:30,480
some of these vessels are today is not

1351
00:57:33,670 --> 00:57:32,319
really known uh publicly but that's

1352
00:57:35,030 --> 00:57:33,680
where they are they're kind of overseas

1353
00:57:37,030 --> 00:57:35,040
right now

1354
00:57:39,510 --> 00:57:37,040
got you okay we need to take a break

1355
00:57:43,109 --> 00:57:39,520
right here dave we will come back

1356
00:57:45,510 --> 00:57:43,119
and pick up now okay so let me let's do

1357
00:57:46,789 --> 00:57:45,520
a quick recap so

1358
00:57:49,190 --> 00:57:46,799
um

1359
00:57:51,510 --> 00:57:49,200
in we'll we'll talk about the slides in

1360
00:57:54,470 --> 00:57:51,520
a second right okay we'll get to that

1361
00:57:57,190 --> 00:57:54,480
because the slides graphically represent

1362
00:57:59,910 --> 00:57:57,200
the position of of these objects but

1363
00:58:02,789 --> 00:57:59,920
here's the kearsarge and then about five

1364
00:58:05,430 --> 00:58:02,799
miles off uh uh

1365
00:58:08,390 --> 00:58:05,440
let's i'm going to call that starboard

1366
00:58:11,030 --> 00:58:08,400
which is left you know to us land lovers

1367
00:58:12,470 --> 00:58:11,040
two objects are in the night sky and

1368
00:58:16,710 --> 00:58:12,480
they are

1369
00:58:19,030 --> 00:58:16,720
uh going 200 feet is it 200 feet

1370
00:58:20,950 --> 00:58:19,040
well yeah like 200 feet um you know in

1371
00:58:23,990 --> 00:58:20,960
the air maybe a half mile away from the

1372
00:58:25,670 --> 00:58:24,000
ship and and changing

1373
00:58:28,230 --> 00:58:25,680
the shackle position

1374
00:58:31,910 --> 00:58:28,240
and so all of this this is very

1375
00:58:33,910 --> 00:58:31,920
interesting um and and how it was

1376
00:58:35,990 --> 00:58:33,920
covered we're going to do all of that

1377
00:58:37,589 --> 00:58:36,000
next when we come back after this break

1378
00:58:40,309 --> 00:58:37,599
this is fade to black i'm yours jimmy

1379
00:58:41,670 --> 00:58:40,319
church tonight dave beatty is with us

1380
00:58:42,870 --> 00:58:41,680
it's going to be one of those nights

1381
00:58:44,630 --> 00:58:42,880
tonight

1382
00:58:47,349 --> 00:58:44,640
yeah that's a dave's air conditioning

1383
00:58:49,750 --> 00:58:47,359
you heard it that's not me

1384
00:58:51,670 --> 00:58:49,760
i'll be right back this is fade to black

1385
00:58:53,990 --> 00:58:51,680
i'm murals jimmy church

1386
00:58:57,750 --> 00:58:54,000
it's going to be a great night three ufo

1387
00:59:03,160 --> 00:58:57,760
uap cases discussed tonight with dave

1388
00:59:03,170 --> 00:59:18,870
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1389
00:59:26,069 --> 00:59:21,109
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1390
00:59:33,910 --> 00:59:28,549
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[Music]

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welcome back fade to black our guest

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tonight dave beatty

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three ufo uap cases

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u.s navy marines

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air force we got it all tonight man this

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is good stuff and

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uh what i want to do uh dave um

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i have made a lot of comments about uh

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the different branches of the military

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and who is cooperating and who isn't uh

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we know that the air force right now is

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causing trouble

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what was it like working with the

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marines trying to get information out of

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them

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well you know i did do um

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foias to the navy and to the marines to

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try to find some information about this

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incident after you know that the source

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told me about it i wanted to confirm

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that it actually did occur

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i basically got some foot dragging with

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the navy it's just hard to get

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information now from the navy through

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the foia sometimes

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it takes a year or more

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the marine corps on the other hand i

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think because their foia offices smaller

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were pretty responsive to me um you know

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when i submitted the foia they got right

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back to me and you know i had um

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basically they sent me a no records

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found um

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about a month later or so and i was sort

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of disappointed thinking well what what

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did i do wrong there

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surprisingly enough though another

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researcher reached out to me and he said

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hey i did a foia

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as well dave and i got this document so

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the marines were sort of helpful and i

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can kind of go into that conversation i

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have i do i i do want to discuss that

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because did you feel like you were

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calling them out saying hey wait a

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minute same lawyer request somebody else

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got you know a ppt

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uh powerpoint and and you're telling me

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there's no records found

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so do you feel that that forced their

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hand a little bit okay all right i guess

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we have to give it up or that maybe it

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was just a mistake on your part in your

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original request

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well you know what i did is i uh called

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the marines because the you know the

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major um that had

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written up the report basically or the

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the foia

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report had signed his name so i just

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called his office and got him right on

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the phone and

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frankly i just said hey can you pull up

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this case number and take a look at it

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he said okay yeah i wrote that and i'm

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like well you know there's no records

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found for the this incident on the cure

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sarge yep yep i see that and i go okay

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we'll pull up this other case file and

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he he pulls up the other guy's case file

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and then there's this kind of like

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pregnant pause

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for a while he's like

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and i said well sir you know i don't

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know what mine what what the difference

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is between my foyer and his

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but can you just send me um all

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responsive documents that he got so he

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sent me the this slide presentation that

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was mostly redacted

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he he called me like the the next day i

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talked to him and he said that my

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mistake was that i used the word

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unauthorized um as in unauthorized

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drones unauthorized you know uas uavs

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around the vessel

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and the other guy just said send me the

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documents about any kind of uaps or uavs

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without using the term unauthorized and

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he almost insinuated that you know the

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kearsarge was out there conducting

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operations uh counter drone technology

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and that was my mistake and i thought to

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myself well does this gen um realize

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that

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in the slides it says uap

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that's an unauthorized object right it's

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an unidentified aerial phenomena maybe

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he didn't understand that that's not

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like a navy drone that that uap is not

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supposed to be there but nonetheless i

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did eventually get the document and it

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was sort of vindicating that the the

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gent that had given me the story

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originally

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obviously told the truth and here were

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slides that had

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diagrams as rudimentary as they are that

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showed the vessel and the position of

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these uaps

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all of the video and the the the photos

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unfortunately were blocked out so you

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just see a redaction there yeah i've got

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uh i've got one of the slides here let

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me bring this up really quick

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so you're you're absolutely right though

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uh

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right right here uap movement is the

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title of this slide i've seen the other

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slides too as well i just have this one

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yeah uh everybody but uh and here it is

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uap

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1

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and uap

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2

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and i'm assuming this is the deck

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of the kearsarge that's right yeah and

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the

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l mattis uh all-terrain vehicle would

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have been parked right there on the bow

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the front of the the the flight dock

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that was observing these um unauthorized

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i assume unless the the marines are

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authorizing uap to swarm the vessel i i

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assume they were unauthorized but

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correct i'm working on that it's a

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that's that's a safe bet right there

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01:08:05,430 --> 01:08:02,480
but here we have a a slide show a slide

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presentation that was shown to somebody

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let's get we'll discuss that

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but it clearly is labeling the two

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objects as uaps and the title of the

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slideshow is uap movement

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right so um

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this would have been you know after the

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marines that were on the deck had

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reported to their

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co

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basically what happened and it was

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explained to me that

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the lmatis truck there tried to

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um

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you know basically you know look on

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radar and look in the fleer system to

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try to see these objects because that's

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what this truck does um they're supposed

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to pick them up on radar and then once

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that happens they can actively jam

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the control system of the drone

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technically that's you know speculating

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what this vehicle does so i was told

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that that vehicle could not pick these

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objects up and they could not see them

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01:09:02,309 --> 01:09:01,520
in the fleer camera they could only see

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them

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visually with their eyes they could see

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01:09:09,269 --> 01:09:06,640
the lights and then with the camera they

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could um hold the camera up or the you

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know may have been the one in the truck

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and they could pick the lights up with

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the camera

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and recorded the video yeah this is uh

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the transport that you're talking about

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right there yeah that is basically the

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al

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parked on the deck of a uh

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a marine uh vessel

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but uh and and that's a pretty

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01:09:35,430 --> 01:09:32,960
sophisticated sensor system this isn't

1639
01:09:38,070 --> 01:09:35,440
you know this isn't uh a cell phone

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camera this is no way beyond that yeah

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01:09:43,510 --> 01:09:40,400
so so basically the ground base air

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defense counter uas system l mattis

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light marine air defense integrated

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system is a air defense counter drone

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system featuring the polaris m razor

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all-terrain vehicle with a

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rada rs rps 42 s-band radar and a sierra

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nevada moti electronic warfare

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01:10:11,270 --> 01:10:08,310
very cool and so and this is sitting

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like we just stated um on the bow on the

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front of the kearsarge

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01:10:16,950 --> 01:10:15,360
yep that's right then they they do that

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simply because when you have a marine

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unit on board these are like the low air

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01:10:24,149 --> 01:10:22,159
uh air defense guys and so they'll park

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01:10:26,149 --> 01:10:24,159
their vehicle out there and when they're

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01:10:28,950 --> 01:10:26,159
on land they might park it you know near

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01:10:31,270 --> 01:10:28,960
their their uh the rest of the guys so

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now okay so now let's talk about the

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incident itself um how long did it last

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uh

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with the slideshow

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01:10:45,189 --> 01:10:43,679
uh so let's get to the incident itself

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um

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right so

1666
01:10:50,630 --> 01:10:48,480
you know it's a little sketchy because

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i'm being told this story through

1668
01:10:56,149 --> 01:10:53,199
somebody else but what they said was

1669
01:10:58,070 --> 01:10:56,159
that these these objects were observed i

1670
01:11:00,709 --> 01:10:58,080
know for a fact that they were reserved

1671
01:11:03,510 --> 01:11:00,719
on one night again i don't know if if it

1672
01:11:05,990 --> 01:11:03,520
happened again like the next night um

1673
01:11:07,590 --> 01:11:06,000
i'm unsure of that at this point i do i

1674
01:11:09,430 --> 01:11:07,600
am trying to get the deck logs of the

1675
01:11:11,510 --> 01:11:09,440
vessel to see if there's any clues there

1676
01:11:13,110 --> 01:11:11,520
like snoopy teams and so on that you saw

1677
01:11:15,430 --> 01:11:13,120
on that other document

1678
01:11:17,669 --> 01:11:15,440
um but we do know that it happened at

1679
01:11:19,590 --> 01:11:17,679
one night and we do know that at that

1680
01:11:22,470 --> 01:11:19,600
point these guys would have reported

1681
01:11:25,270 --> 01:11:22,480
that to their chain of command and most

1682
01:11:27,270 --> 01:11:25,280
likely the the navy vessel which has

1683
01:11:28,950 --> 01:11:27,280
their own officers in their own

1684
01:11:31,270 --> 01:11:28,960
intelligence section as well as the

1685
01:11:33,350 --> 01:11:31,280
marine corps intelligence section

1686
01:11:34,790 --> 01:11:33,360
you know they would have been notified

1687
01:11:36,709 --> 01:11:34,800
and they probably were the ones that

1688
01:11:39,510 --> 01:11:36,719
were involved in writing this report

1689
01:11:41,910 --> 01:11:39,520
that got sent up they made the marines

1690
01:11:44,070 --> 01:11:41,920
that were on the ship may have even been

1691
01:11:45,910 --> 01:11:44,080
you know part of the the presentation

1692
01:11:47,910 --> 01:11:45,920
that we saw now

1693
01:11:49,430 --> 01:11:47,920
you know after we got the slideshow

1694
01:11:51,270 --> 01:11:49,440
that's all that came with it there was

1695
01:11:54,950 --> 01:11:51,280
no description of what this was from

1696
01:11:57,110 --> 01:11:54,960
where this was uh who was involved no at

1697
01:11:59,030 --> 01:11:57,120
this point there were no emails and i

1698
01:12:01,189 --> 01:11:59,040
know that some of the other researchers

1699
01:12:03,189 --> 01:12:01,199
are trying to find out because

1700
01:12:05,270 --> 01:12:03,199
obviously if there was a powerpoint that

1701
01:12:07,189 --> 01:12:05,280
was given people were present some

1702
01:12:09,510 --> 01:12:07,199
communication would have been

1703
01:12:13,350 --> 01:12:09,520
involved as far as what this was for who

1704
01:12:15,189 --> 01:12:13,360
who attended um the meeting um you know

1705
01:12:17,270 --> 01:12:15,199
was this uh in-person meeting or was

1706
01:12:19,430 --> 01:12:17,280
just just sent to somebody

1707
01:12:22,390 --> 01:12:19,440
at the end of that slide show um there's

1708
01:12:23,830 --> 01:12:22,400
one slide that just says questions and i

1709
01:12:26,470 --> 01:12:23,840
can just imagine that that would have

1710
01:12:29,189 --> 01:12:26,480
been some type of you know uh live

1711
01:12:31,350 --> 01:12:29,199
meeting where whoever the presenter

1712
01:12:32,870 --> 01:12:31,360
um the officer was you know given the

1713
01:12:34,709 --> 01:12:32,880
talk would have said okay does anybody

1714
01:12:37,270 --> 01:12:34,719
have any questions and that slide ends

1715
01:12:38,950 --> 01:12:37,280
that uh that deck

1716
01:12:40,630 --> 01:12:38,960
now is the

1717
01:12:42,390 --> 01:12:40,640
um

1718
01:12:43,750 --> 01:12:42,400
uh

1719
01:12:46,870 --> 01:12:43,760
the

1720
01:12:50,630 --> 01:12:46,880
get to that

1721
01:12:52,470 --> 01:12:50,640
these lights these uaps were only a half

1722
01:12:55,189 --> 01:12:52,480
mile off of the ship

1723
01:12:57,750 --> 01:12:55,199
now a half mile in the open ocean is

1724
01:12:58,950 --> 01:12:57,760
like in your backyard that's right there

1725
01:13:00,790 --> 01:12:58,960
that that

1726
01:13:05,189 --> 01:13:00,800
it's it's close

1727
01:13:08,550 --> 01:13:05,199
um approximately 200 feet in the air and

1728
01:13:10,870 --> 01:13:08,560
they also describe these objects

1729
01:13:13,350 --> 01:13:10,880
about the size of a car

1730
01:13:15,990 --> 01:13:13,360
correct that's right the that's the

1731
01:13:17,910 --> 01:13:16,000
description i don't necessarily have the

1732
01:13:19,990 --> 01:13:17,920
color of the lights

1733
01:13:22,390 --> 01:13:20,000
i don't think i was told that but they

1734
01:13:23,189 --> 01:13:22,400
they said that these were about car size

1735
01:13:28,550 --> 01:13:23,199
now

1736
01:13:31,189 --> 01:13:28,560
lights at night are

1737
01:13:32,630 --> 01:13:31,199
very difficult to judge distance when

1738
01:13:36,149 --> 01:13:32,640
you just have something against the

1739
01:13:38,470 --> 01:13:36,159
night sky is it a big thing that is far

1740
01:13:40,870 --> 01:13:38,480
away is it you know smaller thing that's

1741
01:13:42,870 --> 01:13:40,880
close and judging that i'm not exactly

1742
01:13:44,229 --> 01:13:42,880
sure how they determine the distance and

1743
01:13:45,910 --> 01:13:44,239
the size

1744
01:13:48,070 --> 01:13:45,920
you can do that over the l mattis i

1745
01:13:49,510 --> 01:13:48,080
would think and you have a radar system

1746
01:13:52,310 --> 01:13:49,520
on board

1747
01:13:54,310 --> 01:13:52,320
so and and these apparently were solid

1748
01:13:55,750 --> 01:13:54,320
objects so

1749
01:13:58,830 --> 01:13:55,760
that's what you do with the sensor

1750
01:14:01,189 --> 01:13:58,840
system you get altitude speed and

1751
01:14:03,350 --> 01:14:01,199
distance yeah those are unknowns right

1752
01:14:06,470 --> 01:14:03,360
now the the vessel itself would have

1753
01:14:09,310 --> 01:14:06,480
definitely had a comet information

1754
01:14:13,030 --> 01:14:09,320
center it would have had its own um

1755
01:14:14,630 --> 01:14:13,040
sbs-48 or sps-49 air search radars so

1756
01:14:16,310 --> 01:14:14,640
they have a sophisticated air defense

1757
01:14:18,709 --> 01:14:16,320
system on the ship aside from the

1758
01:14:20,870 --> 01:14:18,719
almatus so if there was an object that

1759
01:14:22,070 --> 01:14:20,880
was you know out there around the ship

1760
01:14:26,709 --> 01:14:22,080
you would imagine that they would have

1761
01:14:29,510 --> 01:14:26,719
had it on radar now uh how far out if

1762
01:14:31,910 --> 01:14:29,520
from uh the shoreline uh was the

1763
01:14:33,430 --> 01:14:31,920
kearsarge well i don't have the gps

1764
01:14:36,310 --> 01:14:33,440
coordinates right now i'm hoping the

1765
01:14:38,550 --> 01:14:36,320
deck logs um if they're provided to me

1766
01:14:40,630 --> 01:14:38,560
they would provide a gps coordinate of

1767
01:14:44,229 --> 01:14:40,640
where the vessel was that week in

1768
01:14:46,790 --> 01:14:44,239
october um the the deck logs basically

1769
01:14:49,110 --> 01:14:46,800
you know every watch they they list the

1770
01:14:51,510 --> 01:14:49,120
gps position so we would get a a very

1771
01:14:53,270 --> 01:14:51,520
accurate read i would imagine that it

1772
01:14:57,270 --> 01:14:53,280
probably would be anywhere from you know

1773
01:14:58,229 --> 01:14:57,280
50 25 50 100 miles offshore right

1774
01:15:01,590 --> 01:14:58,239
so

1775
01:15:03,750 --> 01:15:01,600
if if that's the case

1776
01:15:08,229 --> 01:15:03,760
a drone

1777
01:15:12,070 --> 01:15:08,239
military or

1778
01:15:15,030 --> 01:15:12,080
uh civilian commercial pride whatever

1779
01:15:17,430 --> 01:15:15,040
operating that far out to sea seems

1780
01:15:20,149 --> 01:15:17,440
highly unlikely doesn't it

1781
01:15:20,950 --> 01:15:20,159
it certainly does um the fact that the

1782
01:15:23,430 --> 01:15:20,960
the

1783
01:15:24,790 --> 01:15:23,440
marine corps foia office sort of

1784
01:15:26,390 --> 01:15:24,800
you know pushed me in that direction

1785
01:15:27,590 --> 01:15:26,400
that that's why they didn't because it

1786
01:15:30,229 --> 01:15:27,600
you know that's why you didn't get

1787
01:15:32,470 --> 01:15:30,239
anything because it wasn't unauthorized

1788
01:15:34,790 --> 01:15:32,480
it was authorized well

1789
01:15:38,149 --> 01:15:34,800
i was told specifically that that's not

1790
01:15:39,750 --> 01:15:38,159
the case that the the guys on the ship

1791
01:15:41,590 --> 01:15:39,760
looked into that they said the navy and

1792
01:15:43,189 --> 01:15:41,600
the marines said no this is not a

1793
01:15:47,189 --> 01:15:43,199
training operation these are not our

1794
01:15:49,590 --> 01:15:47,199
drones um if indeed they were i would

1795
01:15:51,430 --> 01:15:49,600
assume that they wouldn't be called uaps

1796
01:15:52,790 --> 01:15:51,440
in a slideshow unidentified aerial

1797
01:15:55,030 --> 01:15:52,800
phenomena i wouldn't have heard the

1798
01:15:57,189 --> 01:15:55,040
story it would have been uav

1799
01:15:59,510 --> 01:15:57,199
and i heard the story came from a pretty

1800
01:16:01,189 --> 01:15:59,520
well-placed source on that ship so it

1801
01:16:03,030 --> 01:16:01,199
wasn't just like you know some guys

1802
01:16:04,790 --> 01:16:03,040
below doc that were joking around about

1803
01:16:09,189 --> 01:16:04,800
it that saw light and didn't really know

1804
01:16:13,350 --> 01:16:09,199
what it was and the the the shackle

1805
01:16:16,149 --> 01:16:13,360
movement uh i find interesting um

1806
01:16:16,950 --> 01:16:16,159
what did the crew member that you spoke

1807
01:16:19,189 --> 01:16:16,960
to

1808
01:16:21,270 --> 01:16:19,199
how significant is that because it's

1809
01:16:23,830 --> 01:16:21,280
intelligent control to me

1810
01:16:26,149 --> 01:16:23,840
that they are operating together

1811
01:16:27,750 --> 01:16:26,159
right i mean i was trying to correlate

1812
01:16:29,990 --> 01:16:27,760
with that with other

1813
01:16:32,630 --> 01:16:30,000
uap reports to see if that was something

1814
01:16:35,270 --> 01:16:32,640
that other people had ever witnessed or

1815
01:16:37,110 --> 01:16:35,280
seen and you know i'm not sure if that's

1816
01:16:38,870 --> 01:16:37,120
very prevalent with these things or if

1817
01:16:41,750 --> 01:16:38,880
that's something that is

1818
01:16:44,070 --> 01:16:41,760
yeah that type of movement is common

1819
01:16:46,709 --> 01:16:44,080
recently you know there are other cases

1820
01:16:48,709 --> 01:16:46,719
where you had two lights that were sort

1821
01:16:51,350 --> 01:16:48,719
of synchronized with each other and they

1822
01:16:54,310 --> 01:16:51,360
were like you know moving moving you

1823
01:16:55,750 --> 01:16:54,320
know in in that kind of movement um

1824
01:16:57,110 --> 01:16:55,760
i'm not sure they understood what that

1825
01:17:01,430 --> 01:16:57,120
meant either

1826
01:17:04,470 --> 01:17:03,430
does the

1827
01:17:07,110 --> 01:17:04,480
because

1828
01:17:08,709 --> 01:17:07,120
in the article uh you specifically talk

1829
01:17:10,390 --> 01:17:08,719
about a couple of things that one pilot

1830
01:17:12,790 --> 01:17:10,400
you know this is a training exercise

1831
01:17:14,709 --> 01:17:12,800
could this be a test of the crew could

1832
01:17:16,550 --> 01:17:14,719
this be a test of the equipment could

1833
01:17:17,669 --> 01:17:16,560
their reaction

1834
01:17:18,470 --> 01:17:17,679
um

1835
01:17:22,229 --> 01:17:18,480
so

1836
01:17:23,110 --> 01:17:22,239
um how did the

1837
01:17:27,270 --> 01:17:23,120
how

1838
01:17:29,669 --> 01:17:27,280
they assuming this was some kind of

1839
01:17:31,830 --> 01:17:29,679
training exercise or

1840
01:17:33,270 --> 01:17:31,840
you know their response or was it

1841
01:17:35,590 --> 01:17:33,280
something else

1842
01:17:37,350 --> 01:17:35,600
well i mean if you could imagine the the

1843
01:17:38,390 --> 01:17:37,360
guys that were on the deck in that

1844
01:17:40,550 --> 01:17:38,400
vehicle

1845
01:17:42,470 --> 01:17:40,560
they thought probably this is some type

1846
01:17:44,630 --> 01:17:42,480
of training exercise they're just

1847
01:17:46,470 --> 01:17:44,640
conducting one thing after another while

1848
01:17:48,630 --> 01:17:46,480
they're out there and maybe they weren't

1849
01:17:50,630 --> 01:17:48,640
informed i would assume that for most

1850
01:17:52,390 --> 01:17:50,640
operations they're told the next thing

1851
01:17:54,070 --> 01:17:52,400
they're doing but

1852
01:17:56,310 --> 01:17:54,080
they saw these two lights out there so

1853
01:17:58,070 --> 01:17:56,320
they probably fired up the vehicle

1854
01:18:00,390 --> 01:17:58,080
expecting to be able to see these

1855
01:18:03,350 --> 01:18:00,400
objects on radar and you know they can

1856
01:18:05,830 --> 01:18:03,360
turn on their their system that um

1857
01:18:08,950 --> 01:18:05,840
allows them to i would assume disable

1858
01:18:10,470 --> 01:18:08,960
the control of of a drone right um you

1859
01:18:12,149 --> 01:18:10,480
know maybe take control of it or

1860
01:18:14,870 --> 01:18:12,159
something like that or maybe have it

1861
01:18:16,070 --> 01:18:14,880
force it to return back to its uh point

1862
01:18:17,830 --> 01:18:16,080
of origin

1863
01:18:20,229 --> 01:18:17,840
and i was told that they just had no

1864
01:18:21,590 --> 01:18:20,239
effect on the on their system didn't

1865
01:18:23,910 --> 01:18:21,600
have any effect on these objects

1866
01:18:25,830 --> 01:18:23,920
whatsoever and the really strange thing

1867
01:18:27,030 --> 01:18:25,840
is that they couldn't see them in their

1868
01:18:29,990 --> 01:18:27,040
night vision

1869
01:18:31,669 --> 01:18:30,000
infrared camera system that they use um

1870
01:18:34,229 --> 01:18:31,679
obviously once they're tracking an

1871
01:18:35,990 --> 01:18:34,239
object they can look at it in uh night

1872
01:18:38,149 --> 01:18:36,000
vision and flir

1873
01:18:39,669 --> 01:18:38,159
thermal and they were unable to see

1874
01:18:42,229 --> 01:18:39,679
anything it just was like nothing was

1875
01:18:43,910 --> 01:18:42,239
there it was only visible

1876
01:18:44,709 --> 01:18:43,920
optically which is very interesting

1877
01:18:46,870 --> 01:18:44,719
because

1878
01:18:48,790 --> 01:18:46,880
that doesn't make any sense that does

1879
01:18:51,430 --> 01:18:48,800
that makes zero sense

1880
01:18:53,110 --> 01:18:51,440
right so i mean again this is coming

1881
01:18:55,510 --> 01:18:53,120
from somebody just explaining what

1882
01:18:57,590 --> 01:18:55,520
happened to me saying they couldn't get

1883
01:18:59,830 --> 01:18:57,600
a a i a flir

1884
01:19:02,550 --> 01:18:59,840
you know read on these things but they

1885
01:19:03,990 --> 01:19:02,560
could get on with the camera so then he

1886
01:19:07,110 --> 01:19:04,000
said that what they what they did is

1887
01:19:08,870 --> 01:19:07,120
they contacted the navy or whoever's in

1888
01:19:10,229 --> 01:19:08,880
charge of these training evolutions

1889
01:19:12,070 --> 01:19:10,239
they're probably there's chain of

1890
01:19:14,229 --> 01:19:12,080
command and they said hey hey we saw

1891
01:19:16,229 --> 01:19:14,239
your drones last night you know we

1892
01:19:17,189 --> 01:19:16,239
couldn't get them on you know radar or

1893
01:19:18,950 --> 01:19:17,199
whatever we couldn't get them on the

1894
01:19:20,070 --> 01:19:18,960
fleer system but we did get video of

1895
01:19:21,750 --> 01:19:20,080
them for you

1896
01:19:24,630 --> 01:19:21,760
and then that the response was those

1897
01:19:29,590 --> 01:19:26,630
holy crap

1898
01:19:30,950 --> 01:19:29,600
the reason why i'm reacting this way

1899
01:19:35,189 --> 01:19:30,960
um

1900
01:19:37,430 --> 01:19:35,199
uh night vision is picking up light

1901
01:19:39,990 --> 01:19:37,440
okay it's amplifying light i'm talking

1902
01:19:42,229 --> 01:19:40,000
about my you know so i know how they

1903
01:19:43,910 --> 01:19:42,239
operate so you can see stuff in the dark

1904
01:19:45,910 --> 01:19:43,920
and you're seeing stars that you

1905
01:19:47,910 --> 01:19:45,920
normally can't see you look up and it's

1906
01:19:48,709 --> 01:19:47,920
like whoa whoa right

1907
01:19:49,669 --> 01:19:48,719
now

1908
01:19:52,070 --> 01:19:49,679
um

1909
01:19:54,390 --> 01:19:52,080
so if you are picking up stuff optically

1910
01:19:55,910 --> 01:19:54,400
and are able to video

1911
01:19:57,189 --> 01:19:55,920
these objects and you're seeing them

1912
01:19:59,270 --> 01:19:57,199
with your eyes

1913
01:20:01,510 --> 01:19:59,280
you should see them clear as day through

1914
01:20:04,070 --> 01:20:01,520
night vision well it could be that they

1915
01:20:06,310 --> 01:20:04,080
were using like forward-looking infrared

1916
01:20:08,950 --> 01:20:06,320
and it wasn't thermal

1917
01:20:11,030 --> 01:20:08,960
i'm uncertain about that specific point

1918
01:20:13,590 --> 01:20:11,040
so it could have been like a flir system

1919
01:20:16,550 --> 01:20:13,600
that was looking at infrared

1920
01:20:19,510 --> 01:20:16,560
you know yeah but the snoopy teams

1921
01:20:22,070 --> 01:20:19,520
those those guys all have night vision

1922
01:20:24,709 --> 01:20:22,080
right so again um i can't tell you

1923
01:20:26,870 --> 01:20:24,719
exactly what they filmed this object was

1924
01:20:28,310 --> 01:20:26,880
other than i know for a fact that was

1925
01:20:31,189 --> 01:20:28,320
the first thing that was told to me that

1926
01:20:33,990 --> 01:20:31,199
they did film it and that the reason why

1927
01:20:35,910 --> 01:20:34,000
i knew that was because somebody had

1928
01:20:38,070 --> 01:20:35,920
looked in the

1929
01:20:40,709 --> 01:20:38,080
you know the sipper net or the secret

1930
01:20:43,110 --> 01:20:40,719
internet that the dod uses and actually

1931
01:20:45,350 --> 01:20:43,120
found the video and they said that it

1932
01:20:47,590 --> 01:20:45,360
wasn't that impressive it was sort of

1933
01:20:49,110 --> 01:20:47,600
lights in the sky so to speak

1934
01:20:50,790 --> 01:20:49,120
but they did confirm it so that was the

1935
01:20:54,629 --> 01:20:50,800
first time somebody said okay well they

1936
01:20:56,870 --> 01:20:54,639
definitely did send that video to uap

1937
01:20:59,830 --> 01:20:56,880
task force or whatever and it's it's

1938
01:21:01,590 --> 01:20:59,840
logged in that network so for it too

1939
01:21:04,950 --> 01:21:01,600
this is where you put on your detective

1940
01:21:08,790 --> 01:21:04,960
hat right your private your gumshoe hat

1941
01:21:11,750 --> 01:21:08,800
if if it if it goes from them from like

1942
01:21:14,470 --> 01:21:11,760
a training exercise with drones

1943
01:21:17,910 --> 01:21:14,480
to the uap task force now we're talking

1944
01:21:20,070 --> 01:21:17,920
about unidentified aerial phenomena and

1945
01:21:22,870 --> 01:21:20,080
the reports are now being filed and sent

1946
01:21:24,629 --> 01:21:22,880
over to the uap task force this isn't

1947
01:21:27,510 --> 01:21:24,639
known drones they weren't able to

1948
01:21:30,070 --> 01:21:27,520
disable it they weren't able to use

1949
01:21:32,470 --> 01:21:30,080
their sensor system on it so therefore

1950
01:21:34,470 --> 01:21:32,480
we have a bona fide uap and this went to

1951
01:21:37,189 --> 01:21:34,480
the task force

1952
01:21:39,110 --> 01:21:37,199
yeah that's correct and um i'm really

1953
01:21:39,990 --> 01:21:39,120
curious to see what the navy says

1954
01:21:42,310 --> 01:21:40,000
because

1955
01:21:45,350 --> 01:21:42,320
i believe that the marine corps probably

1956
01:21:48,229 --> 01:21:45,360
is following the navy guidelines and the

1957
01:21:50,870 --> 01:21:48,239
classified classification guidelines for

1958
01:21:53,830 --> 01:21:50,880
reporting uaps so the marines may have

1959
01:21:55,830 --> 01:21:53,840
their own um you know rules so to speak

1960
01:21:58,149 --> 01:21:55,840
but they may be saying okay we're going

1961
01:22:00,070 --> 01:21:58,159
to go with the navy you know and and

1962
01:22:01,510 --> 01:22:00,080
when we have a uap

1963
01:22:03,350 --> 01:22:01,520
incident we're going to follow and

1964
01:22:05,270 --> 01:22:03,360
submit the reports as

1965
01:22:06,870 --> 01:22:05,280
we've been directed to do by the navy so

1966
01:22:09,510 --> 01:22:06,880
it could be that the that report

1967
01:22:11,750 --> 01:22:09,520
specifically went to the navy um it's

1968
01:22:14,629 --> 01:22:11,760
interesting that the marine corps had

1969
01:22:17,430 --> 01:22:14,639
the power point so i guess that

1970
01:22:19,910 --> 01:22:17,440
you know the 22nd meu the marine

1971
01:22:22,229 --> 01:22:19,920
expeditionary unit did have some some

1972
01:22:25,030 --> 01:22:22,239
documents it could be that the rest of

1973
01:22:27,030 --> 01:22:25,040
the report is in the hands of the navy

1974
01:22:29,270 --> 01:22:27,040
and i'm curious to see if i get a no

1975
01:22:32,070 --> 01:22:29,280
records found or if they do find

1976
01:22:34,229 --> 01:22:32,080
classified documents related to it

1977
01:22:36,870 --> 01:22:34,239
do you ever uh work with a john

1978
01:22:39,270 --> 01:22:36,880
greenwald on cases like this

1979
01:22:40,629 --> 01:22:39,280
sure yeah i mean uh john and i have been

1980
01:22:42,870 --> 01:22:40,639
talking about this case behind the

1981
01:22:45,590 --> 01:22:42,880
scenes i explained to him you know sort

1982
01:22:47,750 --> 01:22:45,600
of the reaction with the marines and

1983
01:22:50,709 --> 01:22:47,760
um we talked a little bit about the

1984
01:22:53,430 --> 01:22:50,719
appeal process the fact that you know i

1985
01:22:55,830 --> 01:22:53,440
got a no records uh you know response

1986
01:22:57,510 --> 01:22:55,840
and obviously there were records so it

1987
01:22:59,110 --> 01:22:57,520
could be that they just didn't look that

1988
01:23:00,870 --> 01:22:59,120
hard um

1989
01:23:02,709 --> 01:23:00,880
and you know the other indication that i

1990
01:23:05,270 --> 01:23:02,719
got was sort of like this it was kind of

1991
01:23:07,110 --> 01:23:05,280
like dave listen you know you're not

1992
01:23:09,510 --> 01:23:07,120
going to get anything with this there

1993
01:23:12,310 --> 01:23:09,520
may be some stuff but it's all

1994
01:23:14,229 --> 01:23:12,320
classified so you know do yourself a

1995
01:23:16,709 --> 01:23:14,239
favor and you know just realize that

1996
01:23:18,550 --> 01:23:16,719
yeah okay there's probably a few emails

1997
01:23:21,189 --> 01:23:18,560
out there but if you do get them they're

1998
01:23:22,390 --> 01:23:21,199
just going to be completely um

1999
01:23:23,350 --> 01:23:22,400
blacked out

2000
01:23:25,590 --> 01:23:23,360
so

2001
01:23:27,189 --> 01:23:25,600
here's here's another interesting point

2002
01:23:28,310 --> 01:23:27,199
here's another interesting thing that

2003
01:23:30,310 --> 01:23:28,320
happened

2004
01:23:31,750 --> 01:23:30,320
is once the story

2005
01:23:33,350 --> 01:23:31,760
kind of came out

2006
01:23:35,990 --> 01:23:33,360
i don't think that the marines were too

2007
01:23:37,590 --> 01:23:36,000
happy about it that this had come out in

2008
01:23:41,510 --> 01:23:37,600
the press

2009
01:23:43,510 --> 01:23:41,520
and uh you're um okay first off john

2010
01:23:45,750 --> 01:23:43,520
greenwald right

2011
01:23:46,830 --> 01:23:45,760
that that's the guy you want on the case

2012
01:23:51,189 --> 01:23:46,840
if

2013
01:23:53,430 --> 01:23:51,199
he he's got his mysterious ways and it's

2014
01:23:55,750 --> 01:23:53,440
it it's such a complex and you've been

2015
01:23:58,629 --> 01:23:55,760
doing foia for a long time

2016
01:24:00,470 --> 01:23:58,639
and and and you've enjoyed your own

2017
01:24:02,950 --> 01:24:00,480
frustrations with it

2018
01:24:06,070 --> 01:24:02,960
and you have to

2019
01:24:07,350 --> 01:24:06,080
uh to stay on it you can't you know what

2020
01:24:09,590 --> 01:24:07,360
i mean you've got to go through the

2021
01:24:11,910 --> 01:24:09,600
appeals process you've got and if

2022
01:24:13,910 --> 01:24:11,920
anybody can navigate this it's it's john

2023
01:24:16,310 --> 01:24:13,920
greenwald there there's got to be a

2024
01:24:18,629 --> 01:24:16,320
paper trail for this and if it went uh

2025
01:24:20,790 --> 01:24:18,639
to the uap task force there's a lot of

2026
01:24:23,030 --> 01:24:20,800
stuff there there is data and i would

2027
01:24:24,790 --> 01:24:23,040
love to see this video and i'm very

2028
01:24:26,950 --> 01:24:24,800
curious how one

2029
01:24:28,830 --> 01:24:26,960
or multiple sensor systems didn't pick

2030
01:24:30,790 --> 01:24:28,840
it up but you could

2031
01:24:32,229 --> 01:24:30,800
optically and and you're a

2032
01:24:34,470 --> 01:24:32,239
cinematographer you know those

2033
01:24:36,950 --> 01:24:34,480
differences that's really strange yeah

2034
01:24:38,550 --> 01:24:36,960
it's really strange another uh curious

2035
01:24:39,510 --> 01:24:38,560
thing that kind of piqued my interest

2036
01:24:42,950 --> 01:24:39,520
was

2037
01:24:45,830 --> 01:24:42,960
do you remember during the the uap

2038
01:24:48,629 --> 01:24:45,840
you know hearings the open hearings when

2039
01:24:50,790 --> 01:24:48,639
they discussed the drone swarms and they

2040
01:24:51,990 --> 01:24:50,800
showed some night vision cameras and

2041
01:24:54,709 --> 01:24:52,000
then uh

2042
01:24:56,070 --> 01:24:54,719
i i believe it was scott bray said oh

2043
01:24:58,709 --> 01:24:56,080
and by the way

2044
01:25:00,470 --> 01:24:58,719
there's also video from the east coast

2045
01:25:02,390 --> 01:25:00,480
uh where drones swarmed one of our

2046
01:25:04,390 --> 01:25:02,400
warships just recently he says something

2047
01:25:06,149 --> 01:25:04,400
like that and i was wondering i wonder

2048
01:25:07,669 --> 01:25:06,159
if that's the kearsarge that he's

2049
01:25:10,149 --> 01:25:07,679
mentioning there

2050
01:25:12,550 --> 01:25:10,159
oh yeah yeah that's a really good point

2051
01:25:16,950 --> 01:25:12,560
yeah now uh about before we get to the

2052
01:25:18,390 --> 01:25:16,960
break uh your um contact on this i won't

2053
01:25:22,149 --> 01:25:18,400
call him a whistleblower but your

2054
01:25:25,350 --> 01:25:22,159
contact was you was your contact part uh

2055
01:25:28,390 --> 01:25:25,360
did he witness the lights himself

2056
01:25:31,430 --> 01:25:28,400
now the the gent that um contacted me is

2057
01:25:34,070 --> 01:25:31,440
a retired marine corps officer

2058
01:25:36,470 --> 01:25:34,080
that just happened to have friends that

2059
01:25:39,110 --> 01:25:36,480
are still enlisted still active duty

2060
01:25:41,990 --> 01:25:39,120
that were on the vessel yeah okay that

2061
01:25:44,550 --> 01:25:42,000
but that's my question um i understand

2062
01:25:46,229 --> 01:25:44,560
the retire but the ones that are

2063
01:25:48,709 --> 01:25:46,239
speaking to him

2064
01:25:51,430 --> 01:25:48,719
were they eyewitnesses

2065
01:25:53,669 --> 01:25:51,440
i believe that they were they heard it

2066
01:25:56,149 --> 01:25:53,679
from people that would have been under

2067
01:25:57,189 --> 01:25:56,159
them so in other words they were highly

2068
01:25:58,870 --> 01:25:57,199
placed

2069
01:26:00,390 --> 01:25:58,880
they weren't just like the cook put it

2070
01:26:01,750 --> 01:26:00,400
that way they were somebody that would

2071
01:26:03,189 --> 01:26:01,760
know that would have been in the

2072
01:26:05,189 --> 01:26:03,199
position to

2073
01:26:06,790 --> 01:26:05,199
pretty much know the whole story

2074
01:26:08,070 --> 01:26:06,800
no i don't i don't think they saw i

2075
01:26:09,750 --> 01:26:08,080
don't know i don't actually know the

2076
01:26:11,990 --> 01:26:09,760
answer to that but i don't think they

2077
01:26:13,750 --> 01:26:12,000
witnessed this it was just these marines

2078
01:26:14,790 --> 01:26:13,760
that were out there with that almatus

2079
01:26:17,270 --> 01:26:14,800
truck

2080
01:26:19,669 --> 01:26:17,280
now um what's your what's your gut on

2081
01:26:22,229 --> 01:26:19,679
this one

2082
01:26:23,110 --> 01:26:22,239
um it's still like a mystery right now

2083
01:26:25,990 --> 01:26:23,120
um

2084
01:26:26,870 --> 01:26:26,000
it's very unusual based on the the type

2085
01:26:28,709 --> 01:26:26,880
of

2086
01:26:31,430 --> 01:26:28,719
reports that were filed in the

2087
01:26:33,350 --> 01:26:31,440
powerpoint slides it seems to me that

2088
01:26:36,470 --> 01:26:33,360
it's sort of mimicking what happened in

2089
01:26:38,470 --> 01:26:36,480
2019 off san diego

2090
01:26:42,310 --> 01:26:38,480
where the destroyers were swarmed by

2091
01:26:44,709 --> 01:26:42,320
these uh unknown drones that were small

2092
01:26:46,229 --> 01:26:44,719
you know lights that came around

2093
01:26:47,430 --> 01:26:46,239
i don't know that the navy knows what

2094
01:26:49,030 --> 01:26:47,440
they are and i don't know that the

2095
01:26:50,390 --> 01:26:49,040
marine corps of the navy knows what

2096
01:26:52,550 --> 01:26:50,400
these objects were

2097
01:26:53,350 --> 01:26:52,560
out there in the atlantic ocean

2098
01:26:56,790 --> 01:26:53,360
yeah

2099
01:26:58,870 --> 01:26:56,800
and uh and one one last point uh before

2100
01:27:03,270 --> 01:26:58,880
we take our break here

2101
01:27:06,709 --> 01:27:03,280
it wasn't one shackle turn by the way

2102
01:27:08,229 --> 01:27:06,719
it was shackled turns as in plural

2103
01:27:10,870 --> 01:27:08,239
so

2104
01:27:14,070 --> 01:27:10,880
would that indicate to you

2105
01:27:16,550 --> 01:27:14,080
almost like a double helix you know dna

2106
01:27:18,149 --> 01:27:16,560
strand that they were actually doing

2107
01:27:20,709 --> 01:27:18,159
this

2108
01:27:23,270 --> 01:27:20,719
yeah i mean again without talking to a

2109
01:27:24,950 --> 01:27:23,280
primary witness and you know

2110
01:27:26,390 --> 01:27:24,960
the the person that i'm talking to said

2111
01:27:29,030 --> 01:27:26,400
you know when these guys get back from

2112
01:27:30,390 --> 01:27:29,040
deployment some people are retiring some

2113
01:27:32,470 --> 01:27:30,400
people are going to talk about this you

2114
01:27:34,310 --> 01:27:32,480
know you get a bunch of marines like

2115
01:27:35,590 --> 01:27:34,320
off the ship and you know somebody's

2116
01:27:37,750 --> 01:27:35,600
going to leak this stuff so it'd be

2117
01:27:40,070 --> 01:27:37,760
interesting to hear what they actually

2118
01:27:42,310 --> 01:27:40,080
saw in person and the fact that if you

2119
01:27:43,910 --> 01:27:42,320
look at the the diagram you know it

2120
01:27:46,229 --> 01:27:43,920
looks like these things were all over

2121
01:27:48,790 --> 01:27:46,239
you know in front of the ships right

2122
01:27:50,629 --> 01:27:48,800
right right right very interesting case

2123
01:27:53,590 --> 01:27:50,639
and and again

2124
01:27:54,629 --> 01:27:53,600
if we just uh get to the basics of what

2125
01:27:57,430 --> 01:27:54,639
we have

2126
01:28:00,390 --> 01:27:57,440
talking about a half mile off the ship

2127
01:28:02,790 --> 01:28:00,400
200 feet altitude

2128
01:28:05,350 --> 01:28:02,800
and about the size of a car

2129
01:28:07,830 --> 01:28:05,360
so they were able to this is very close

2130
01:28:09,910 --> 01:28:07,840
to the ship it's low in altitude it's

2131
01:28:11,350 --> 01:28:09,920
not up at five or ten thousand feet

2132
01:28:13,910 --> 01:28:11,360
where you're guessing

2133
01:28:14,790 --> 01:28:13,920
it's low it's it's 200 feet it's right

2134
01:28:17,110 --> 01:28:14,800
off the

2135
01:28:18,310 --> 01:28:17,120
the surface of the ocean it's a half

2136
01:28:20,070 --> 01:28:18,320
mile away

2137
01:28:22,310 --> 01:28:20,080
and they got a clear look at these

2138
01:28:24,390 --> 01:28:22,320
objects dave i i don't think there's any

2139
01:28:25,990 --> 01:28:24,400
other way to look at it do you

2140
01:28:27,030 --> 01:28:26,000
no and i mean think about it i mean you

2141
01:28:28,390 --> 01:28:27,040
might say well okay well that's

2142
01:28:30,229 --> 01:28:28,400
explainable but

2143
01:28:32,070 --> 01:28:30,239
really i think the guys on the ships

2144
01:28:34,070 --> 01:28:32,080
thought that too they're like hey look

2145
01:28:35,990 --> 01:28:34,080
that must be the navy or they're messing

2146
01:28:36,870 --> 01:28:36,000
with us let's get our vehicle going but

2147
01:28:39,350 --> 01:28:36,880
then

2148
01:28:41,990 --> 01:28:39,360
they learn later that hey guys that

2149
01:28:44,790 --> 01:28:42,000
wasn't us those are not we don't know

2150
01:28:47,990 --> 01:28:44,800
who was flying those objects which um

2151
01:28:49,669 --> 01:28:48,000
again uh is very similar to

2152
01:28:51,430 --> 01:28:49,679
uh what happened here on the west coast

2153
01:28:53,110 --> 01:28:51,440
with those drones

2154
01:28:54,709 --> 01:28:53,120
they weren't ours

2155
01:28:57,110 --> 01:28:54,719
they didn't come from shore they didn't

2156
01:28:59,430 --> 01:28:57,120
come from the island nobody knows it

2157
01:29:01,590 --> 01:28:59,440
must have come from that catamaran if

2158
01:29:03,189 --> 01:29:01,600
you remember right nobody wanted to

2159
01:29:05,590 --> 01:29:03,199
admit that they were

2160
01:29:08,470 --> 01:29:05,600
that those were their drones

2161
01:29:10,470 --> 01:29:08,480
right and let's just like not completely

2162
01:29:13,350 --> 01:29:10,480
eliminate the possibility

2163
01:29:15,270 --> 01:29:13,360
of a foreign adversary and i know that

2164
01:29:16,870 --> 01:29:15,280
like a lot of people want to speculate

2165
01:29:18,709 --> 01:29:16,880
and say well that has to be what it is

2166
01:29:22,709 --> 01:29:18,719
then it has to be

2167
01:29:24,709 --> 01:29:22,719
chinese uh vessels that maybe are

2168
01:29:27,510 --> 01:29:24,719
you know they're using civilian merchant

2169
01:29:29,270 --> 01:29:27,520
vessels or cargo ships in the shipping

2170
01:29:32,709 --> 01:29:29,280
channels and they they have

2171
01:29:34,870 --> 01:29:32,719
sophisticated drone um you know airports

2172
01:29:36,629 --> 01:29:34,880
that are on these vessels and you know

2173
01:29:39,910 --> 01:29:36,639
the the hatch opens up and all these

2174
01:29:42,390 --> 01:29:39,920
like drones fly out and then they spy on

2175
01:29:45,270 --> 01:29:42,400
marine corps training off the coast i

2176
01:29:46,790 --> 01:29:45,280
mean it's possible i i assume but

2177
01:29:48,950 --> 01:29:46,800
i don't know i mean it just seems kind

2178
01:29:51,110 --> 01:29:48,960
of far-fetched that china is doing that

2179
01:29:53,189 --> 01:29:51,120
so far away you would get caught he

2180
01:29:55,830 --> 01:29:53,199
would get caught that would be an

2181
01:29:57,750 --> 01:29:55,840
international roof

2182
01:29:59,350 --> 01:29:57,760
you would get caught and i the other

2183
01:30:01,750 --> 01:29:59,360
thing i've got to take a break in 10

2184
01:30:04,470 --> 01:30:01,760
seconds i've also pictured maybe a

2185
01:30:06,390 --> 01:30:04,480
russian sub you know surfacing

2186
01:30:08,229 --> 01:30:06,400
and launching these and then retrieving

2187
01:30:10,709 --> 01:30:08,239
them and then going back

2188
01:30:13,110 --> 01:30:10,719
uh beneath the wave so that was another

2189
01:30:15,590 --> 01:30:13,120
thought possibility but that would be a

2190
01:30:18,470 --> 01:30:15,600
really big deal and that's a really

2191
01:30:21,110 --> 01:30:18,480
huge roll of the dice if you're an

2192
01:30:23,830 --> 01:30:21,120
adversary and you get caught doing that

2193
01:30:25,350 --> 01:30:23,840
international waters are not let's take

2194
01:30:28,790 --> 01:30:25,360
our break right here our guest tonight

2195
01:30:30,870 --> 01:30:28,800
dave bianchi be 80. oh by the way

2196
01:30:33,590 --> 01:30:30,880
[Music]

2197
01:30:35,669 --> 01:30:33,600
is it being or biati

2198
01:30:38,790 --> 01:30:35,679
well um i just tell people think of like

2199
01:30:40,470 --> 01:30:38,800
warren beatty or ned beatty okay

2200
01:30:42,470 --> 01:30:40,480
you know it's all over the place with

2201
01:30:43,540 --> 01:30:42,480
you we'll be right back after this short

2202
01:30:56,550 --> 01:30:43,550
break

2203
01:30:59,669 --> 01:30:56,560
[Music]

2204
01:31:01,890 --> 01:30:59,679
way out here we listen to jimmy church

2205
01:31:04,550 --> 01:31:01,900
you're listening to fade to black

2206
01:31:06,629 --> 01:31:04,560
[Applause]

2207
01:31:08,149 --> 01:31:06,639
you're listening to jimmy church and

2208
01:31:13,440 --> 01:31:08,159
fade to black

2209
01:31:13,450 --> 01:31:22,880
[Applause]

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01:31:22,890 --> 01:31:26,629
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2211
01:31:32,950 --> 01:31:28,470
this is jimmy church of fade to black

2212
01:31:35,669 --> 01:31:32,960
and this year june 18th 2022

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you're listening to jimmy church this is

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revolution the revolution will not be

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hey

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[Music]

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all right welcome back fade to black i

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am your host jimmy church tonight dave

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beatty

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is with us

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oh man we're covering three uh different

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incidents uh tonight we just talked

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about the uss kearsarge i think more

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about this event is uh

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is is going to break loose uh now that

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it's out uh we're going to find out more

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and more and i'm very curious about the

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uap task force of course

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um next uh let me bring dave back in

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uh we're gonna cover an event um and i

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want to jump into this really quick

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because we've got a special guest that

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we're about to bring on with us

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um uh that this event

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took place

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around

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2004

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and i'm going to let you explain as

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quickly as possible about the date

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uh but it involves the aircraft carrier

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the uss ronald reagan so dave what do we

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know uh

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right now

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well um basically

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you know that this was a multi-mass

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sighting of a uap or an object over this

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super carrier a brand new

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showroom you know fresh aircraft carrier

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that was out in the atlantic ocean um

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and we're trying to pin down the date of

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when this

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event would have happened and

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it's a long time ago the people that are

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involved hadn't talked about it in in

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decades and you know at least a decade

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or so and

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frankly they don't remember specifically

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01:37:10,629 --> 01:37:08,960
what day it was and you know i mean i

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tell people that find that kind of hard

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to believe i go well you know i mean can

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you remember

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yeah ask me about halloween in 2004 i

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got nothing for you man right got

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nothing but i got i i don't know what

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day of the week it was you know and

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i couldn't tell you christmas uh let

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alone anything else like that it's a

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long time ago

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but uh

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this is very cool what we're about to do

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because

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uh we have carl oleshak with us and carl

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carl welcome to the show how are you

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hi jimmy thanks for having me on oh this

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is this is a very special dave is with

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us you can say hi to dave it's very

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special because uh carl you were the

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quartermaster uh navigator right you're

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the quartermaster uh on board the uss

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ronald reagan

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and you're

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let's i'm going to get straight to this

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because i've just got you for one

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segment

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um

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how

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mind uh we'll get to the date in a

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second

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but but how incredible was it what

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happened

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it was

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you know the most incredible thing i've

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ever seen

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uh something that i spent the next

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uh 15 or so years of my life thinking

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about

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and reflecting on

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um i don't think a picture would have

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done it justice let's say that

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um how many okay uh this is i'm gonna

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rapid fire some questions at you um when

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you start to hear about the nimitz right

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and in 2004 and this break into the

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media and and the video and pilots and

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crew members and guido

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you know the princeton um

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01:39:04,149 --> 01:39:02,000
did did you go wait a minute same thing

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happened to us right is that what went

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through your mind

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01:39:10,149 --> 01:39:08,159
i mean it gets weird in the mind when

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you're looking up at the sky and you

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know you've seen things in the sky

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before and

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the event has you know has really

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reshaped the way i look at reality

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so

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i mean with what the government has

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disclosed

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um i wrote an article and that's how

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01:39:33,189 --> 01:39:30,639
dave found me i wrote an article

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01:39:35,430 --> 01:39:33,199
including some of my shipmates who had

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01:39:37,830 --> 01:39:35,440
been

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egging me on to write about this for

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years

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because many of us had seen this thing

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01:39:44,950 --> 01:39:43,360
this indescribable thing

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and uh

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you know

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we figured it was our turn to uh

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to come forward as witnesses

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okay so what did you see carl what what

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01:39:57,430 --> 01:39:55,840
do you remember

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a hovering

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orb

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that

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kept pace with us

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at about 22 knots

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uh

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for

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you know the entirety of my watch

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eight hours

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i think my watch might have been six

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hours

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a long time a long time

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01:40:23,669 --> 01:40:21,440
now um uh for those of us out there i'm

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a military brat but i don't know

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everything about everything but

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uh uh an aircraft carrier uh any

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01:40:35,189 --> 01:40:31,920
aircraft carrier but uh part of our us

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01:40:36,550 --> 01:40:35,199
navy it's not out there by itself is it

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01:40:38,790 --> 01:40:36,560
i mean that's that's always been the

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01:40:40,709 --> 01:40:38,800
strange thing for me because we go to

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01:40:43,109 --> 01:40:40,719
dark and ship you know and i always

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01:40:44,149 --> 01:40:43,119
wondered what it is that we're afraid of

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01:40:46,709 --> 01:40:44,159
when we're out in the middle of the

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01:40:48,709 --> 01:40:46,719
ocean by ourselves and that makes me

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01:40:50,870 --> 01:40:48,719
wonder how much the military does know

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01:40:52,470 --> 01:40:50,880
of what we should be afraid of when

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01:40:54,629 --> 01:40:52,480
we're out in the middle of the ocean but

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01:40:57,590 --> 01:40:54,639
because the ocean is vast

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01:40:59,270 --> 01:40:57,600
you know and uh i i guess i wondered

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01:41:01,750 --> 01:40:59,280
what it is that the greatest navy in the

2429
01:41:02,550 --> 01:41:01,760
world is afraid of why we go to dark and

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01:41:05,109 --> 01:41:02,560
ship

2431
01:41:07,990 --> 01:41:05,119
right and how okay where was the

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01:41:09,350 --> 01:41:08,000
approximate position and location

2433
01:41:11,669 --> 01:41:09,360
i believe

2434
01:41:13,750 --> 01:41:11,679
uh piecing this together that we were

2435
01:41:17,109 --> 01:41:13,760
right above the bermuda triangle and not

2436
01:41:20,790 --> 01:41:17,119
actually in we were right above bermuda

2437
01:41:21,990 --> 01:41:20,800
uh and probably not that far above

2438
01:41:24,790 --> 01:41:22,000
bermuda

2439
01:41:26,629 --> 01:41:24,800
and um you know

2440
01:41:28,950 --> 01:41:26,639
piecing this together

2441
01:41:33,270 --> 01:41:28,960
that my sighting

2442
01:41:34,709 --> 01:41:33,280
started at around seventh um you know we

2443
01:41:37,350 --> 01:41:34,719
we start uh

2444
01:41:40,629 --> 01:41:37,360
going too dark and ship about 45 minutes

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01:41:44,229 --> 01:41:40,639
before sunset so it's in that time

2446
01:41:47,109 --> 01:41:44,239
of uh when the light starts getting low

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01:41:49,590 --> 01:41:47,119
that uh you know there it was i mean it

2448
01:41:51,830 --> 01:41:49,600
was there when i came on watch now uh

2449
01:41:53,830 --> 01:41:51,840
when you say my sighting

2450
01:41:57,189 --> 01:41:53,840
you know if your quartermaster you've

2451
01:41:58,070 --> 01:41:57,199
got how many people around you

2452
01:42:00,629 --> 01:41:58,080
i

2453
01:42:02,870 --> 01:42:00,639
lose about 20 people 25 people on the

2454
01:42:04,149 --> 01:42:02,880
bridge at the time and uh probably some

2455
01:42:05,910 --> 01:42:04,159
looky-loos

2456
01:42:09,189 --> 01:42:05,920
some people just up there just hanging

2457
01:42:11,350 --> 01:42:09,199
out so all 20 of you were

2458
01:42:13,590 --> 01:42:11,360
were you all in a holy crap moment for

2459
01:42:15,990 --> 01:42:13,600
six hours well this is the strange thing

2460
01:42:17,830 --> 01:42:16,000
not everybody was

2461
01:42:19,750 --> 01:42:17,840
yeah that's always been the strange

2462
01:42:22,709 --> 01:42:19,760
thing for me

2463
01:42:25,430 --> 01:42:22,719
for me as an enlisted sailor as opposed

2464
01:42:27,990 --> 01:42:25,440
to commissioned officers i've always

2465
01:42:30,709 --> 01:42:28,000
delineated it like that that it seemed

2466
01:42:33,669 --> 01:42:30,719
that the enlisted sailors were freaking

2467
01:42:36,149 --> 01:42:33,679
out and the commissioned officers were

2468
01:42:40,149 --> 01:42:36,159
very at ease with it

2469
01:42:44,550 --> 01:42:43,669
why yeah yeah that's that's interesting

2470
01:42:46,149 --> 01:42:44,560
you know

2471
01:42:47,669 --> 01:42:46,159
in that

2472
01:42:50,070 --> 01:42:47,679
they've they've been through this

2473
01:42:53,350 --> 01:42:50,080
already this is the question why did we

2474
01:42:56,070 --> 01:42:53,360
not fall general quarters i i mean i i

2475
01:42:56,950 --> 01:42:56,080
never told my chain of command about

2476
01:43:02,390 --> 01:42:56,960
this

2477
01:43:06,709 --> 01:43:04,870
am i how much in a hurry am i to make

2478
01:43:08,870 --> 01:43:06,719
myself ridiculous

2479
01:43:11,109 --> 01:43:08,880
they told me not to log it and everybody

2480
01:43:13,109 --> 01:43:11,119
the officer of the deck is okay with it

2481
01:43:15,590 --> 01:43:13,119
and if the officer of the deck is okay

2482
01:43:18,470 --> 01:43:15,600
with it i've been brainwashed to believe

2483
01:43:20,070 --> 01:43:18,480
that i'm okay with it too oh okay and

2484
01:43:22,870 --> 01:43:20,080
you know what that's part of the gig

2485
01:43:25,669 --> 01:43:22,880
right right okay i can go with that

2486
01:43:28,149 --> 01:43:25,679
um now let's let's get to uh some

2487
01:43:31,109 --> 01:43:28,159
specifics um

2488
01:43:34,149 --> 01:43:31,119
uh they said not to log it

2489
01:43:37,030 --> 01:43:34,159
uh did you have an approximate distance

2490
01:43:38,950 --> 01:43:37,040
in altitude and was radar ever involved

2491
01:43:41,510 --> 01:43:38,960
with this

2492
01:43:44,470 --> 01:43:41,520
it the radar is right next to me when

2493
01:43:45,510 --> 01:43:44,480
i'm at the chart table so it it would i

2494
01:43:47,669 --> 01:43:45,520
don't think it would have shown up on

2495
01:43:48,390 --> 01:43:47,679
rad radar because it was right on top of

2496
01:43:52,390 --> 01:43:48,400
us

2497
01:43:55,270 --> 01:43:52,400
it was like um there's a catapult to

2498
01:43:57,910 --> 01:43:55,280
uh right in front of me right

2499
01:44:00,149 --> 01:43:57,920
on the island and it's launching planes

2500
01:44:01,830 --> 01:44:00,159
and the thing is just sitting there

2501
01:44:04,470 --> 01:44:01,840
sorry i don't mean to put my hands up

2502
01:44:06,550 --> 01:44:04,480
the thing is just sitting there and

2503
01:44:09,510 --> 01:44:06,560
i i mean i can't say it's watching us

2504
01:44:11,830 --> 01:44:09,520
because it doesn't have eyes but it's

2505
01:44:13,750 --> 01:44:11,840
it's there you know like i don't know

2506
01:44:15,669 --> 01:44:13,760
what it is and i don't know why we

2507
01:44:18,709 --> 01:44:15,679
haven't called it general quarters and

2508
01:44:20,470 --> 01:44:18,719
it's like i've said in dave's uh

2509
01:44:22,310 --> 01:44:20,480
documentary that

2510
01:44:25,350 --> 01:44:22,320
it was kind of you know like the

2511
01:44:27,669 --> 01:44:25,360
emperor's new clothes that you know like

2512
01:44:30,550 --> 01:44:27,679
i as an enlisted sailor

2513
01:44:33,270 --> 01:44:30,560
have been trained to follow the brass

2514
01:44:34,470 --> 01:44:33,280
and if they're at ease then i have to be

2515
01:44:36,390 --> 01:44:34,480
at ease too

2516
01:44:38,550 --> 01:44:36,400
and not only do i have to be at ease i

2517
01:44:41,189 --> 01:44:38,560
have to put other people that are

2518
01:44:44,310 --> 01:44:41,199
enlisted at ease as well now like cc

2519
01:44:45,510 --> 01:44:44,320
they think it's okay it's okay you know

2520
01:44:48,310 --> 01:44:45,520
now

2521
01:44:49,990 --> 01:44:48,320
any movement

2522
01:44:52,390 --> 01:44:50,000
not that i saw

2523
01:44:56,229 --> 01:44:52,400
um my uh

2524
01:44:57,189 --> 01:44:56,239
uh shipmate patrick gokey saw uh he was

2525
01:45:03,030 --> 01:44:57,199
on

2526
01:45:05,910 --> 01:45:03,040
right-hand side

2527
01:45:09,030 --> 01:45:05,920
and he definitely saw movement and then

2528
01:45:12,950 --> 01:45:09,040
he went to the aft of the ship and he

2529
01:45:14,709 --> 01:45:12,960
saw it again and he i mean uh yeah

2530
01:45:16,870 --> 01:45:14,719
he he describes that it was doing half

2531
01:45:20,629 --> 01:45:16,880
circles i believe he says that it did

2532
01:45:26,629 --> 01:45:23,750
i mean between me and patrick and even

2533
01:45:29,590 --> 01:45:26,639
with me and derek there is description

2534
01:45:32,070 --> 01:45:29,600
discrepancies within our testimony we

2535
01:45:36,070 --> 01:45:32,080
all agreed that it happened of course it

2536
01:45:38,629 --> 01:45:36,080
was it was uh over 15 years ago and uh

2537
01:45:40,870 --> 01:45:38,639
you know i i stand i stand by my

2538
01:45:42,790 --> 01:45:40,880
testimony but if i'm proven if i'm

2539
01:45:45,270 --> 01:45:42,800
proven wrong i still

2540
01:45:47,750 --> 01:45:45,280
the thing happened if details are proven

2541
01:45:49,590 --> 01:45:47,760
wrong then i'll go with you know

2542
01:45:51,750 --> 01:45:49,600
i'm going to make this statement i'm

2543
01:45:53,750 --> 01:45:51,760
going to 30 seconds

2544
01:45:57,189 --> 01:45:53,760
i was witness to a

2545
01:46:00,149 --> 01:45:57,199
terrible motorcycle accident okay i was

2546
01:46:01,109 --> 01:46:00,159
standing on the corner i saw the entire

2547
01:46:02,149 --> 01:46:01,119
thing

2548
01:46:05,030 --> 01:46:02,159
right

2549
01:46:05,990 --> 01:46:05,040
but so did probably eight or ten other

2550
01:46:08,550 --> 01:46:06,000
people

2551
01:46:11,669 --> 01:46:08,560
i had the police coming back to me carl

2552
01:46:13,669 --> 01:46:11,679
okay what now what they're saying

2553
01:46:16,070 --> 01:46:13,679
dude i don't care what they're saying

2554
01:46:19,270 --> 01:46:16,080
i'm telling you i saw it

2555
01:46:22,310 --> 01:46:19,280
it was eight different directions eight

2556
01:46:25,109 --> 01:46:22,320
different things it was it was crazy to

2557
01:46:26,870 --> 01:46:25,119
me how but it no matter what everybody

2558
01:46:28,229 --> 01:46:26,880
else said and the police kept asking me

2559
01:46:29,669 --> 01:46:28,239
to repeat

2560
01:46:34,070 --> 01:46:29,679
i

2561
01:46:36,470 --> 01:46:34,080
strange to me

2562
01:46:38,390 --> 01:46:36,480
how so many different people including

2563
01:46:40,709 --> 01:46:38,400
the lady that was in the car where this

2564
01:46:42,310 --> 01:46:40,719
happened right in front of her

2565
01:46:43,990 --> 01:46:42,320
she she had the

2566
01:46:46,149 --> 01:46:44,000
exact opposite

2567
01:46:48,550 --> 01:46:46,159
description of the accident than than

2568
01:46:50,310 --> 01:46:48,560
what i gave and we were right next to

2569
01:46:52,070 --> 01:46:50,320
each other so i get that you know it

2570
01:46:55,109 --> 01:46:52,080
people are gonna have different

2571
01:46:57,830 --> 01:46:55,119
descriptions to the same event um what

2572
01:46:59,830 --> 01:46:57,840
about altitude were you uh if you were

2573
01:47:03,030 --> 01:46:59,840
gonna guess

2574
01:47:06,310 --> 01:47:03,040
uh i would say that it was i'm on the um

2575
01:47:08,629 --> 01:47:06,320
i think the 10th floor of the island so

2576
01:47:10,870 --> 01:47:08,639
it would have been at eye level for me

2577
01:47:12,229 --> 01:47:10,880
when i'm standing up there you know so

2578
01:47:14,550 --> 01:47:12,239
it was it was

2579
01:47:15,830 --> 01:47:14,560
it was i mean it was far enough away

2580
01:47:19,350 --> 01:47:15,840
from me

2581
01:47:25,109 --> 01:47:22,470
are you saying okay so the it was on top

2582
01:47:27,030 --> 01:47:25,119
of us it was on top of us that's why

2583
01:47:29,270 --> 01:47:27,040
you know it always

2584
01:47:32,629 --> 01:47:29,280
puzzled me the the lack of response i

2585
01:47:35,669 --> 01:47:32,639
guess now i am uh even more puzzled this

2586
01:47:36,629 --> 01:47:35,679
is getting more and more interesting um

2587
01:47:40,390 --> 01:47:36,639
the

2588
01:47:43,510 --> 01:47:40,400
of bermuda hey dave unmute yourself for

2589
01:47:47,270 --> 01:47:46,070
interesting and i know that you picked

2590
01:47:50,870 --> 01:47:47,280
up on this

2591
01:47:53,109 --> 01:47:50,880
um in the bermuda area where we have

2592
01:47:55,669 --> 01:47:53,119
been getting reports of

2593
01:47:57,990 --> 01:47:55,679
the navy probably knows the exact

2594
01:48:01,590 --> 01:47:58,000
entrance and exit point

2595
01:48:03,109 --> 01:48:01,600
out there uh where these uaps seem to be

2596
01:48:05,109 --> 01:48:03,119
uh

2597
01:48:07,109 --> 01:48:05,119
coming and going do you think that

2598
01:48:09,189 --> 01:48:07,119
there's a connection

2599
01:48:12,070 --> 01:48:09,199
i don't know i'm not sure i know that um

2600
01:48:14,310 --> 01:48:12,080
it's been talked about that you know the

2601
01:48:17,830 --> 01:48:14,320
location of some of the training ranges

2602
01:48:20,709 --> 01:48:17,840
where the aircraft um you know go into

2603
01:48:22,470 --> 01:48:20,719
the ranges and exit the ranges they seem

2604
01:48:25,270 --> 01:48:22,480
to actually

2605
01:48:28,070 --> 01:48:25,280
uh these uaps be waiting there for the

2606
01:48:30,790 --> 01:48:28,080
aircraft which is very strange yeah yeah

2607
01:48:32,870 --> 01:48:30,800
yeah and uh uh

2608
01:48:35,189 --> 01:48:32,880
carl

2609
01:48:36,310 --> 01:48:35,199
this is 2004

2610
01:48:39,270 --> 01:48:36,320
um

2611
01:48:41,750 --> 01:48:39,280
aircraft carrier right battle group

2612
01:48:44,870 --> 01:48:41,760
uh very similar two different coast you

2613
01:48:46,950 --> 01:48:44,880
know with the nimitz but the timing of

2614
01:48:49,109 --> 01:48:46,960
it must

2615
01:48:51,910 --> 01:48:49,119
must say something to you right that

2616
01:48:54,390 --> 01:48:51,920
these events are very similar

2617
01:48:58,950 --> 01:48:54,400
they involve an aircraft carrier

2618
01:49:02,070 --> 01:48:58,960
and it's it's the same time

2619
01:49:05,189 --> 01:49:02,080
i don't know what to think of it for me

2620
01:49:06,950 --> 01:49:05,199
i really started to think about this

2621
01:49:09,030 --> 01:49:06,960
i mean i definitely thought about it in

2622
01:49:11,270 --> 01:49:09,040
new york and i was like

2623
01:49:13,109 --> 01:49:11,280
i mean i found myself thinking that this

2624
01:49:17,189 --> 01:49:13,119
has to say something about the nature of

2625
01:49:19,910 --> 01:49:17,199
reality more so than a visitation

2626
01:49:20,790 --> 01:49:19,920
you know but that's my personal

2627
01:49:21,910 --> 01:49:20,800
uh

2628
01:49:24,229 --> 01:49:21,920
viewpoint

2629
01:49:25,510 --> 01:49:24,239
um i don't know i mean

2630
01:49:26,310 --> 01:49:25,520
i

2631
01:49:35,830 --> 01:49:26,320
no

2632
01:49:37,270 --> 01:49:35,840
those theories out of you you should

2633
01:49:39,030 --> 01:49:37,280
um

2634
01:49:41,589 --> 01:49:39,040
interesting in that

2635
01:49:44,070 --> 01:49:41,599
do your theories line up with some of

2636
01:49:46,870 --> 01:49:44,080
the other reports in the media the the

2637
01:49:49,750 --> 01:49:46,880
way that uh this has been covered

2638
01:49:53,270 --> 01:49:49,760
i mean i think that the reason why they

2639
01:49:54,149 --> 01:49:53,280
changed the from ufo to uap

2640
01:49:55,669 --> 01:49:54,159
uh

2641
01:49:58,149 --> 01:49:55,679
i mean there's

2642
01:49:59,990 --> 01:49:58,159
there's an academic explanation for that

2643
01:50:01,430 --> 01:50:00,000
you know that uh

2644
01:50:04,390 --> 01:50:01,440
that uh

2645
01:50:07,510 --> 01:50:04,400
you would apply a methodology of

2646
01:50:11,350 --> 01:50:07,520
phenomenology to this if you can't

2647
01:50:13,270 --> 01:50:11,360
isolate it as an object you know which

2648
01:50:16,470 --> 01:50:13,280
kind of speaks to this

2649
01:50:19,189 --> 01:50:16,480
crazy world that we have no i we had no

2650
01:50:22,790 --> 01:50:19,199
idea that we were living in you know i

2651
01:50:25,910 --> 01:50:22,800
mean we keep getting these little uh

2652
01:50:27,669 --> 01:50:25,920
these little peeps into uh how crazy the

2653
01:50:28,950 --> 01:50:27,679
world actually is

2654
01:50:32,070 --> 01:50:28,960
you know

2655
01:50:35,189 --> 01:50:32,080
um it it ain't what you think it is

2656
01:50:36,629 --> 01:50:35,199
for sure it's certainly not now you were

2657
01:50:41,350 --> 01:50:36,639
uh

2658
01:50:44,149 --> 01:50:41,360
you were ordered not to log this

2659
01:50:46,070 --> 01:50:44,159
it wasn't i i don't think that there was

2660
01:50:49,030 --> 01:50:46,080
the uh the attitude was more

2661
01:50:51,350 --> 01:50:49,040
lackadaisical than uh you know there was

2662
01:50:53,669 --> 01:50:51,360
no hysteria on the bridge outside for

2663
01:50:55,430 --> 01:50:53,679
the enlisted people and there there was

2664
01:50:57,830 --> 01:50:55,440
more often there's always more officers

2665
01:50:59,510 --> 01:50:57,840
on the bridge than enlisted people

2666
01:51:00,470 --> 01:50:59,520
um

2667
01:51:02,629 --> 01:51:00,480
yeah

2668
01:51:08,149 --> 01:51:02,639
now uh was there

2669
01:51:09,750 --> 01:51:08,159
any follow-up was there any debriefing

2670
01:51:11,669 --> 01:51:09,760
and i know that you guys go through that

2671
01:51:14,709 --> 01:51:11,679
every single day and and you go through

2672
01:51:17,589 --> 01:51:14,719
the day's activities was this brought up

2673
01:51:19,589 --> 01:51:17,599
uh again you never know who to talk to

2674
01:51:21,589 --> 01:51:19,599
in the military who you can be honest

2675
01:51:22,790 --> 01:51:21,599
with and you cannot who you cannot be

2676
01:51:23,910 --> 01:51:22,800
honest with

2677
01:51:26,310 --> 01:51:23,920
you know

2678
01:51:27,669 --> 01:51:26,320
but i did have years later the

2679
01:51:30,390 --> 01:51:27,679
opportunity

2680
01:51:33,189 --> 01:51:30,400
to ask one of the officers

2681
01:51:35,350 --> 01:51:33,199
what the reaction was in the officer's

2682
01:51:38,070 --> 01:51:35,360
mess because we're so segregated it's

2683
01:51:40,149 --> 01:51:38,080
like the oldest class system out there

2684
01:51:43,750 --> 01:51:40,159
so what the reaction was in the

2685
01:51:46,149 --> 01:51:43,760
officer's mess and he's like no reaction

2686
01:51:49,030 --> 01:51:46,159
nothing they didn't care

2687
01:51:49,910 --> 01:51:49,040
and he's like how how how do you not

2688
01:51:51,750 --> 01:51:49,920
care

2689
01:51:54,470 --> 01:51:51,760
you know like how do you see something

2690
01:51:56,550 --> 01:51:54,480
like that and then just go but i mean i

2691
01:51:58,870 --> 01:51:56,560
went on for 15 years

2692
01:52:01,750 --> 01:51:58,880
without uh

2693
01:52:04,310 --> 01:52:01,760
coming forward so i guess i went on as

2694
01:52:07,910 --> 01:52:04,320
business as usual as well was this uh

2695
01:52:09,750 --> 01:52:07,920
what was the color of of this light

2696
01:52:10,709 --> 01:52:09,760
i uh like

2697
01:52:13,430 --> 01:52:10,719
orange

2698
01:52:16,229 --> 01:52:13,440
or yellow orangish

2699
01:52:17,589 --> 01:52:16,239
dave really had some good uh mock-ups in

2700
01:52:19,189 --> 01:52:17,599
his cgi

2701
01:52:22,629 --> 01:52:19,199
i uh

2702
01:52:25,189 --> 01:52:22,639
i really like uh the um i think it's the

2703
01:52:27,109 --> 01:52:25,199
sun times their mock-up i thought that

2704
01:52:28,470 --> 01:52:27,119
their mock-up was really good

2705
01:52:30,709 --> 01:52:28,480
um

2706
01:52:33,270 --> 01:52:30,719
yeah now isn't that that's that's

2707
01:52:35,430 --> 01:52:33,280
curious uh i talked to the other sailors

2708
01:52:38,310 --> 01:52:35,440
involved uh my friends

2709
01:52:41,589 --> 01:52:38,320
and they they all are really impressed

2710
01:52:43,990 --> 01:52:41,599
especially with dave's dave's mock-up

2711
01:52:46,149 --> 01:52:44,000
he's really good hey dave do you have a

2712
01:52:49,430 --> 01:52:46,159
uh we can do it after the break you can

2713
01:52:50,790 --> 01:52:49,440
get it ready uh if if you want you can

2714
01:52:52,550 --> 01:52:50,800
uh

2715
01:52:54,709 --> 01:52:52,560
you can share it with us

2716
01:52:57,669 --> 01:52:54,719
do you have it yeah i can i can pull

2717
01:52:59,910 --> 01:52:57,679
this up um okay stream stream here

2718
01:53:02,790 --> 01:52:59,920
yeah yeah we'll do it after the break

2719
01:53:06,149 --> 01:53:02,800
um uh now carl

2720
01:53:08,229 --> 01:53:06,159
you did 15 more years did you did you

2721
01:53:11,510 --> 01:53:08,239
have another incident

2722
01:53:14,390 --> 01:53:11,520
i did i did i had another

2723
01:53:15,589 --> 01:53:14,400
uap encounter when i was moved to

2724
01:53:18,229 --> 01:53:15,599
michigan

2725
01:53:20,390 --> 01:53:18,239
i graduated from the new school in new

2726
01:53:21,590 --> 01:53:20,400
york in

2727
01:53:23,189 --> 01:53:21,600
2011

2728
01:53:25,270 --> 01:53:23,199
[Music]

2729
01:53:26,470 --> 01:53:25,280
and then i got a job in detroit working

2730
01:53:28,470 --> 01:53:26,480
in renewable energy

2731
01:53:31,830 --> 01:53:28,480
and this one night actually after i

2732
01:53:33,750 --> 01:53:31,840
resigned from my job me and my friend uh

2733
01:53:35,030 --> 01:53:33,760
were i believe close to crawford

2734
01:53:37,910 --> 01:53:35,040
michigan

2735
01:53:40,070 --> 01:53:37,920
and uh we were just sitting out there by

2736
01:53:42,470 --> 01:53:40,080
this lake walking these dogs and i swear

2737
01:53:43,669 --> 01:53:42,480
i saw 30 of these things

2738
01:53:46,550 --> 01:53:43,679
and i'm like

2739
01:53:48,229 --> 01:53:46,560
is it possible that once you see it once

2740
01:53:50,870 --> 01:53:48,239
that there's something in the realm of

2741
01:53:54,390 --> 01:53:50,880
probability i i really you know

2742
01:53:57,270 --> 01:53:54,400
randomness is just an idea you know like

2743
01:53:59,589 --> 01:53:57,280
uh it's a concept you know maybe once

2744
01:54:00,870 --> 01:53:59,599
you see one you're more likely to see

2745
01:54:03,270 --> 01:54:00,880
others

2746
01:54:05,830 --> 01:54:03,280
but yeah after that i can really tell

2747
01:54:07,589 --> 01:54:05,840
like uh when i go on youtube and i can

2748
01:54:10,470 --> 01:54:07,599
see what the fake ones there's

2749
01:54:13,189 --> 01:54:10,480
definitely like fake youtube videos

2750
01:54:15,669 --> 01:54:13,199
real ones and you can definitely tell

2751
01:54:17,350 --> 01:54:15,679
you know like what the this info is as

2752
01:54:19,589 --> 01:54:17,360
opposed to the real one and there's just

2753
01:54:21,589 --> 01:54:19,599
tons of them you because i've been

2754
01:54:24,229 --> 01:54:21,599
waiting all my life because when they

2755
01:54:26,550 --> 01:54:24,239
launched youtube i was like cool finally

2756
01:54:28,870 --> 01:54:26,560
when somebody records a ufo we'll have

2757
01:54:30,709 --> 01:54:28,880
it on youtube unfortunately that's not

2758
01:54:33,669 --> 01:54:30,719
the way it worked you know because

2759
01:54:36,070 --> 01:54:33,679
there's just you know so much

2760
01:54:38,310 --> 01:54:36,080
content out there yeah yeah there is a

2761
01:54:39,510 --> 01:54:38,320
lot of content out there

2762
01:54:43,270 --> 01:54:39,520
is this

2763
01:54:46,229 --> 01:54:43,280
paradigm shift for you

2764
01:54:49,350 --> 01:54:46,239
if we go pre-2004 did you have any

2765
01:54:52,310 --> 01:54:49,360
interest in ufos

2766
01:54:53,990 --> 01:54:52,320
i mean i was always fearful of the idea

2767
01:54:56,790 --> 01:54:54,000
i had nightmares about you if i was a

2768
01:54:59,669 --> 01:54:56,800
child i don't know i mean like

2769
01:55:02,310 --> 01:54:59,679
because uh but i i was interested yeah

2770
01:55:04,390 --> 01:55:02,320
of course and when i went into the navy

2771
01:55:05,910 --> 01:55:04,400
i was i was definitely i mean

2772
01:55:07,990 --> 01:55:05,920
i spent a lot of time in the middle of

2773
01:55:10,550 --> 01:55:08,000
the ocean no light pollution staring up

2774
01:55:14,149 --> 01:55:10,560
at the sky and i never saw nothing

2775
01:55:16,229 --> 01:55:14,159
except this one time in 2004 when we

2776
01:55:17,750 --> 01:55:16,239
were doing hurricane avoidance and

2777
01:55:19,270 --> 01:55:17,760
that's strange thing because we were out

2778
01:55:21,510 --> 01:55:19,280
in the middle of the ocean and i was

2779
01:55:23,510 --> 01:55:21,520
like if there's something i'm sure to

2780
01:55:25,350 --> 01:55:23,520
see it out here and never never did i

2781
01:55:28,149 --> 01:55:25,360
see anything outside of

2782
01:55:31,189 --> 01:55:28,159
in that spot did you uh do your initial

2783
01:55:34,070 --> 01:55:31,199
training at great lakes in chicago

2784
01:55:36,470 --> 01:55:34,080
that's correct yeah okay you ready

2785
01:55:39,750 --> 01:55:36,480
i was born at great lakes

2786
01:55:45,270 --> 01:55:39,760
yeah

2787
01:55:46,870 --> 01:55:45,280
south of great lakes is fort sheridan uh

2788
01:55:49,189 --> 01:55:46,880
which is decommissioned

2789
01:55:51,830 --> 01:55:49,199
but uh so we were at fort sheridan but

2790
01:55:53,109 --> 01:55:51,840
there's no hospital the hospital's up at

2791
01:55:55,189 --> 01:55:53,119
great lakes

2792
01:55:57,109 --> 01:55:55,199
so that's where all the

2793
01:55:59,350 --> 01:55:57,119
that's where all the pregnant moms went

2794
01:56:01,669 --> 01:55:59,360
uh from the army uh up to great lakes so

2795
01:56:04,790 --> 01:56:01,679
i was born at great lakes naval station

2796
01:56:06,950 --> 01:56:04,800
so there you go now uh what was your i

2797
01:56:08,229 --> 01:56:06,960
know that your quartermaster

2798
01:56:11,030 --> 01:56:08,239
um

2799
01:56:13,109 --> 01:56:11,040
in your training at great lakes

2800
01:56:15,030 --> 01:56:13,119
did ufos ever come up oh you know what

2801
01:56:16,709 --> 01:56:15,040
to do in the open ocean if you have an

2802
01:56:18,709 --> 01:56:16,719
encounter no

2803
01:56:21,350 --> 01:56:18,719
no not at all right

2804
01:56:23,510 --> 01:56:21,360
no i mean

2805
01:56:26,070 --> 01:56:23,520
i feel like a lot of my training had to

2806
01:56:28,390 --> 01:56:26,080
deal with how to deal with stress

2807
01:56:29,910 --> 01:56:28,400
you know like navy training especially

2808
01:56:32,709 --> 01:56:29,920
the smart navy

2809
01:56:35,510 --> 01:56:32,719
you know uh it has to do with

2810
01:56:37,910 --> 01:56:35,520
breaking you down constantly

2811
01:56:39,990 --> 01:56:37,920
that's the military in general man well

2812
01:56:42,229 --> 01:56:40,000
i don't know civilian life is breaking

2813
01:56:45,750 --> 01:56:42,239
you down too as well these days

2814
01:56:48,229 --> 01:56:45,760
especially yeah yeah exactly um and and

2815
01:56:50,229 --> 01:56:48,239
how are you today though um and when i

2816
01:56:52,390 --> 01:56:50,239
asked you about this paradigm shift

2817
01:56:54,870 --> 01:56:52,400
where now you know you had the initial

2818
01:56:57,669 --> 01:56:54,880
encounter in 2004 and this other one

2819
01:56:59,830 --> 01:56:57,679
later in michigan

2820
01:57:01,510 --> 01:56:59,840
where are you today in this do you think

2821
01:57:04,229 --> 01:57:01,520
we're being visited by something we

2822
01:57:07,510 --> 01:57:04,239
can't explain

2823
01:57:12,470 --> 01:57:10,149
or something that's always been here

2824
01:57:14,550 --> 01:57:12,480
right right right i mean that's kind of

2825
01:57:15,669 --> 01:57:14,560
where where i lean towards

2826
01:57:18,310 --> 01:57:15,679
sure

2827
01:57:20,550 --> 01:57:18,320
but i don't know i mean i'm i'm open i'm

2828
01:57:23,350 --> 01:57:20,560
open to ideas and i you know i have my

2829
01:57:27,030 --> 01:57:23,360
own but it's like um

2830
01:57:31,350 --> 01:57:29,430
we have to be smarter about it we keep

2831
01:57:34,229 --> 01:57:31,360
trying to do the same things

2832
01:57:36,470 --> 01:57:34,239
instead of trying something new

2833
01:57:38,870 --> 01:57:36,480
i think you know like for instance i was

2834
01:57:40,790 --> 01:57:38,880
thinking about this in um

2835
01:57:42,790 --> 01:57:40,800
in michigan they have these big smell

2836
01:57:46,950 --> 01:57:42,800
machines we keep

2837
01:57:47,910 --> 01:57:46,960
record smells we keep trying to

2838
01:57:49,830 --> 01:57:47,920
um

2839
01:57:52,550 --> 01:57:49,840
take pictures of these things but maybe

2840
01:57:55,270 --> 01:57:52,560
that's not how to record them you know

2841
01:57:56,229 --> 01:57:55,280
like maybe there's other ways

2842
01:57:58,709 --> 01:57:56,239
um

2843
01:57:59,589 --> 01:57:58,719
yeah no you're you're absolutely right

2844
01:58:02,229 --> 01:57:59,599
and

2845
01:58:05,109 --> 01:58:02,239
what would be here's here's the trippy

2846
01:58:06,870 --> 01:58:05,119
part i mean if i was gonna go trippy

2847
01:58:09,030 --> 01:58:06,880
um and dave i want to talk to you about

2848
01:58:11,030 --> 01:58:09,040
this after the break um and and carl

2849
01:58:13,910 --> 01:58:11,040
thank you for taking the time tonight

2850
01:58:15,830 --> 01:58:13,920
um but is is this what would be more

2851
01:58:17,510 --> 01:58:15,840
terrifying what would freak out the

2852
01:58:20,550 --> 01:58:17,520
world more

2853
01:58:22,709 --> 01:58:20,560
e.t is visiting us all the time

2854
01:58:24,709 --> 01:58:22,719
or

2855
01:58:27,270 --> 01:58:24,719
they've been living next to us and we

2856
01:58:29,589 --> 01:58:27,280
never knew yeah right what would what

2857
01:58:32,149 --> 01:58:29,599
would free people you know what i i

2858
01:58:34,709 --> 01:58:32,159
think that that if something has been

2859
01:58:36,390 --> 01:58:34,719
living here and and we're just now

2860
01:58:38,550 --> 01:58:36,400
finding out about it that's going to

2861
01:58:41,830 --> 01:58:38,560
freak some people out i think we can

2862
01:58:43,669 --> 01:58:41,840
accept little green men all day long

2863
01:58:47,430 --> 01:58:43,679
you understand what i'm saying

2864
01:58:49,669 --> 01:58:47,440
and um i i don't know i don't know which

2865
01:58:51,669 --> 01:58:49,679
way this is gonna fall and it may be a

2866
01:58:53,510 --> 01:58:51,679
mix of both of course right there's

2867
01:58:56,550 --> 01:58:53,520
nothing wrong with that

2868
01:58:58,390 --> 01:58:56,560
but i think i i know i would

2869
01:59:01,109 --> 01:58:58,400
i would kind of trip out a little bit if

2870
01:59:05,350 --> 01:59:01,119
if if i was made aware of something that

2871
01:59:07,270 --> 01:59:05,360
has been living here uh hidden from us

2872
01:59:12,390 --> 01:59:07,280
since the beginning of everything that's

2873
01:59:19,189 --> 01:59:14,830
carl that was pointed at you

2874
01:59:20,870 --> 01:59:19,199
but well um i mean i i think

2875
01:59:22,709 --> 01:59:20,880
that there's two things that we're

2876
01:59:25,589 --> 01:59:22,719
afraid of one of

2877
01:59:28,790 --> 01:59:25,599
which has to do with death and the other

2878
01:59:29,589 --> 01:59:28,800
one is that question of are we alone so

2879
01:59:35,030 --> 01:59:29,599
if

2880
01:59:36,950 --> 01:59:35,040
that's it's surreal you know and that's

2881
01:59:39,510 --> 01:59:36,960
kind of i guess that's what happens to

2882
01:59:40,790 --> 01:59:39,520
you if you are an experiencer like the

2883
01:59:43,589 --> 01:59:40,800
world just

2884
01:59:45,109 --> 01:59:43,599
becomes a little more surreal you know

2885
01:59:46,229 --> 01:59:45,119
i mean it doesn't become any more

2886
01:59:48,709 --> 01:59:46,239
magical

2887
01:59:51,189 --> 01:59:48,719
you know i wish it was

2888
01:59:52,070 --> 01:59:51,199
i have questions for carl uh real quick

2889
01:59:53,990 --> 01:59:52,080
sure

2890
01:59:54,870 --> 01:59:54,000
and you know jimmy you may not know this

2891
01:59:57,430 --> 01:59:54,880
but

2892
01:59:59,189 --> 01:59:57,440
um after carl left the navy and he put

2893
02:00:01,669 --> 01:59:59,199
in a number of years in the reserves and

2894
02:00:03,030 --> 02:00:01,679
so on he sort of like switched his idea

2895
02:00:06,149 --> 02:00:03,040
about war

2896
02:00:08,629 --> 02:00:06,159
and kind of talk about paradigm he began

2897
02:00:10,310 --> 02:00:08,639
you know being an activist an anti-war

2898
02:00:11,830 --> 02:00:10,320
person maybe you can tell us a little

2899
02:00:14,229 --> 02:00:11,840
bit about i don't know if this i

2900
02:00:15,910 --> 02:00:14,239
apologize i should have i should have uh

2901
02:00:18,310 --> 02:00:15,920
expanded um

2902
02:00:21,270 --> 02:00:18,320
yeah uh

2903
02:00:24,229 --> 02:00:21,280
you know i like i said i i don't know in

2904
02:00:26,870 --> 02:00:24,239
my life how much i can sum up to reality

2905
02:00:28,229 --> 02:00:26,880
how much i can sum up to the the whole

2906
02:00:32,149 --> 02:00:28,239
of my story

2907
02:00:34,629 --> 02:00:32,159
the the one ufo incident but like i

2908
02:00:36,950 --> 02:00:34,639
really changed my mind about war

2909
02:00:38,950 --> 02:00:36,960
after when i got to new york

2910
02:00:40,950 --> 02:00:38,960
and uh you know

2911
02:00:42,550 --> 02:00:40,960
and i'd like to say that a lot of that

2912
02:00:45,189 --> 02:00:42,560
has to do with

2913
02:00:46,229 --> 02:00:45,199
this experience i know patrick he was my

2914
02:00:47,830 --> 02:00:46,239
partner

2915
02:00:51,270 --> 02:00:47,840
when we started uh

2916
02:00:56,390 --> 02:00:54,229
and that is an anti-war website which

2917
02:00:59,270 --> 02:00:56,400
was built as an affinity

2918
02:01:02,950 --> 02:00:59,280
group for occupy wall street and we got

2919
02:01:06,070 --> 02:01:02,960
the support of universities like nyu

2920
02:01:09,830 --> 02:01:06,080
and the new school

2921
02:01:11,990 --> 02:01:09,840
to basically get vets to protests

2922
02:01:13,990 --> 02:01:12,000
against wall street bankers at the time

2923
02:01:15,830 --> 02:01:14,000
but what this turned into me was

2924
02:01:18,390 --> 02:01:15,840
adopting this whole

2925
02:01:20,070 --> 02:01:18,400
i mean anti-war culture i didn't realize

2926
02:01:22,790 --> 02:01:20,080
how much of an anti-war culture there

2927
02:01:25,350 --> 02:01:22,800
was and how ufos really

2928
02:01:28,070 --> 02:01:25,360
tied into this idea

2929
02:01:30,310 --> 02:01:28,080
that we are weaponizing space you know

2930
02:01:32,550 --> 02:01:30,320
and we have been for a while

2931
02:01:35,350 --> 02:01:32,560
and uh you know

2932
02:01:38,470 --> 02:01:35,360
yeah and now we have the space wars you

2933
02:01:39,589 --> 02:01:38,480
know and and and what is involved there

2934
02:01:41,350 --> 02:01:39,599
um

2935
02:01:43,189 --> 02:01:41,360
you know what carl i would love to bring

2936
02:01:45,030 --> 02:01:43,199
you back for another show

2937
02:01:46,870 --> 02:01:45,040
and and we'll just sit and chat about

2938
02:01:49,030 --> 02:01:46,880
this all night long it's uh something

2939
02:01:50,390 --> 02:01:49,040
that interests me greatly and that

2940
02:01:52,870 --> 02:01:50,400
includes our audience

2941
02:01:53,750 --> 02:01:52,880
so again thank you so much and thank you

2942
02:01:55,109 --> 02:01:53,760
president

2943
02:01:57,270 --> 02:01:55,119
yeah this is a great conversation

2944
02:01:58,629 --> 02:01:57,280
tonight thank you so much carl behave

2945
02:02:00,550 --> 02:01:58,639
and be well

2946
02:02:03,030 --> 02:02:00,560
and then we'll bring you back for a full

2947
02:02:05,750 --> 02:02:03,040
show okay all right thanks a lot thank

2948
02:02:07,990 --> 02:02:05,760
you carl uh amazing amazing conversation

2949
02:02:10,310 --> 02:02:08,000
tonight i need to jump right into a

2950
02:02:12,070 --> 02:02:10,320
break this is fade to black our guest

2951
02:02:13,270 --> 02:02:12,080
tonight dave beatty thank you carl

2952
02:02:15,510 --> 02:02:13,280
olshak

2953
02:02:17,589 --> 02:02:15,520
and we will be right back this is faded

2954
02:02:18,980 --> 02:02:17,599
black i'm your host jimmy church

2955
02:02:31,030 --> 02:02:18,990
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2956
02:02:31,040 --> 02:02:36,460
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2957
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2958
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2962
02:02:52,629 --> 02:02:49,840
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2964
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2965
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2966
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2980
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2981
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2982
02:03:42,629 --> 02:03:40,719
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2983
02:03:47,030 --> 02:03:42,639
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2984
02:03:49,830 --> 02:03:47,040
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2985
02:03:52,390 --> 02:03:49,840
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2986
02:03:55,990 --> 02:03:52,400
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2992
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2994
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2995
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2997
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3007
02:05:02,950 --> 02:04:59,119
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3008
02:05:04,229 --> 02:05:02,960
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3009
02:05:06,470 --> 02:05:04,239
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3010
02:05:07,830 --> 02:05:06,480
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3011
02:05:09,910 --> 02:05:07,840
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3012
02:05:16,390 --> 02:05:09,920
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3013
02:05:22,390 --> 02:05:18,550
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3014
02:05:35,669 --> 02:05:22,400
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3015
02:05:37,430 --> 02:05:35,679
[Music]

3016
02:05:40,390 --> 02:05:37,440
welcome back fade to black i am your

3017
02:05:43,750 --> 02:05:40,400
host jimmy church that's incredible

3018
02:05:47,030 --> 02:05:43,760
thank you carl oleshak that

3019
02:05:52,709 --> 02:05:49,030
uss ronald reagan

3020
02:05:54,550 --> 02:05:52,719
uh north of bermuda and and that right

3021
02:05:55,430 --> 02:05:54,560
there for me

3022
02:05:58,390 --> 02:05:55,440
just

3023
02:05:59,589 --> 02:05:58,400
sends up all those flags because of some

3024
02:06:02,229 --> 02:05:59,599
of the other

3025
02:06:04,390 --> 02:06:02,239
information that we've been getting uh

3026
02:06:06,550 --> 02:06:04,400
over the last three or four years and

3027
02:06:09,350 --> 02:06:06,560
these comments about the possibility of

3028
02:06:10,790 --> 02:06:09,360
the exact location of what may be

3029
02:06:12,629 --> 02:06:10,800
happening out there is known to the

3030
02:06:14,830 --> 02:06:12,639
united states navy

3031
02:06:20,390 --> 02:06:14,840
um

3032
02:06:23,350 --> 02:06:20,400
uh

3033
02:06:25,350 --> 02:06:23,360
that's not coincidence it can't be right

3034
02:06:27,910 --> 02:06:25,360
it's really strange and you know when i

3035
02:06:31,270 --> 02:06:27,920
was looking into this case one of the

3036
02:06:32,870 --> 02:06:31,280
strangest things that i discovered

3037
02:06:36,149 --> 02:06:32,880
was that

3038
02:06:37,430 --> 02:06:36,159
the same squadron that encountered the

3039
02:06:40,870 --> 02:06:37,440
tic tacs

3040
02:06:43,669 --> 02:06:40,880
in st off the coast of san diego in 2004

3041
02:06:45,109 --> 02:06:43,679
was actually embarked on the uss ronald

3042
02:06:48,069 --> 02:06:45,119
reagan

3043
02:06:49,750 --> 02:06:48,079
in may of 2004 and i was like wait a

3044
02:06:51,990 --> 02:06:49,760
second that must be a mistake i got to

3045
02:06:53,910 --> 02:06:52,000
look at this again now right all right

3046
02:06:54,790 --> 02:06:53,920
and i started looking at the cruise book

3047
02:06:59,589 --> 02:06:54,800
and

3048
02:07:02,390 --> 02:06:59,599
david fravor

3049
02:07:03,589 --> 02:07:02,400
and uh jim slate and these other guys

3050
02:07:06,069 --> 02:07:03,599
were

3051
02:07:09,189 --> 02:07:06,079
in the cruise book uh now this would

3052
02:07:10,550 --> 02:07:09,199
have been you know later on in 2004 when

3053
02:07:13,750 --> 02:07:10,560
you know but

3054
02:07:15,589 --> 02:07:13,760
i am not sure if if uh commander fravor

3055
02:07:17,750 --> 02:07:15,599
these guys were actually on board the

3056
02:07:21,350 --> 02:07:17,760
uss ronald reagan when this stuff went

3057
02:07:26,470 --> 02:07:21,360
down um because in may of 2004

3058
02:07:28,950 --> 02:07:26,480
uh the black aces and you know vfa uh 41

3059
02:07:30,629 --> 02:07:28,960
embarked about 25 percent of their

3060
02:07:32,550 --> 02:07:30,639
aircraft down to the ship and the reason

3061
02:07:34,629 --> 02:07:32,560
why they did that is because ronald

3062
02:07:37,910 --> 02:07:34,639
reagan was a brand new aircraft carrier

3063
02:07:40,709 --> 02:07:37,920
that had not been assigned its permanent

3064
02:07:43,270 --> 02:07:40,719
port yet nor had it been assigned its

3065
02:07:46,390 --> 02:07:43,280
complete air wing so when the ronald

3066
02:07:49,109 --> 02:07:46,400
reagan was about to transit from

3067
02:07:50,790 --> 02:07:49,119
norfolk to san diego where it became its

3068
02:07:54,229 --> 02:07:50,800
permanent port

3069
02:07:55,669 --> 02:07:54,239
they embarked the the black aces on on

3070
02:07:57,430 --> 02:07:55,679
the vessel

3071
02:08:01,270 --> 02:07:57,440
now uh

3072
02:08:04,470 --> 02:08:01,280
unpacking uh carl's comments

3073
02:08:06,149 --> 02:08:04,480
uh very interesting because when you are

3074
02:08:07,990 --> 02:08:06,159
i want everybody to understand when he

3075
02:08:10,229 --> 02:08:08,000
says the island so you have your

3076
02:08:11,990 --> 02:08:10,239
aircraft carried and we all see the tall

3077
02:08:14,629 --> 02:08:12,000
building that's in the middle

3078
02:08:16,550 --> 02:08:14,639
of the aircraft carrier that's your uh

3079
02:08:18,229 --> 02:08:16,560
flight command your control center

3080
02:08:20,229 --> 02:08:18,239
everything else is done there that's

3081
02:08:21,270 --> 02:08:20,239
where the captain is right everybody's

3082
02:08:24,149 --> 02:08:21,280
hanging out

3083
02:08:26,790 --> 02:08:24,159
and and when he says 10th floor yes

3084
02:08:30,229 --> 02:08:26,800
that's a 10-story building and then at

3085
02:08:33,270 --> 02:08:30,239
the top of that it's just like any uh

3086
02:08:34,790 --> 02:08:33,280
tower at an airport where you've got

3087
02:08:36,950 --> 02:08:34,800
everybody that's doing the flight

3088
02:08:38,629 --> 02:08:36,960
control and everything else

3089
02:08:40,149 --> 02:08:38,639
the navigation of the ship is happening

3090
02:08:42,229 --> 02:08:40,159
they have the windows that are tilted

3091
02:08:44,470 --> 02:08:42,239
out they can see the flight line

3092
02:08:46,870 --> 02:08:44,480
and he was just describing in front of

3093
02:08:50,229 --> 02:08:46,880
him because he's looking forward

3094
02:08:51,830 --> 02:08:50,239
um the catapults are are in front of him

3095
02:08:53,189 --> 02:08:51,840
so that's where he's at he's got a great

3096
02:08:54,069 --> 02:08:53,199
vantage point

3097
02:08:56,629 --> 02:08:54,079
but

3098
02:08:59,990 --> 02:08:56,639
that this orb

3099
02:09:02,229 --> 02:09:00,000
was at uh right above

3100
02:09:04,470 --> 02:09:02,239
that level like they could see it and it

3101
02:09:05,589 --> 02:09:04,480
was there for six hours

3102
02:09:08,470 --> 02:09:05,599
yeah

3103
02:09:10,790 --> 02:09:08,480
but to have to have that not go into the

3104
02:09:12,310 --> 02:09:10,800
uh the log book

3105
02:09:13,830 --> 02:09:12,320
why do

3106
02:09:15,510 --> 02:09:13,840
now i don't want to hear from carl

3107
02:09:16,870 --> 02:09:15,520
what's your opinion on that why would

3108
02:09:19,430 --> 02:09:16,880
they not

3109
02:09:21,750 --> 02:09:19,440
why would that uh that seems like that

3110
02:09:22,870 --> 02:09:21,760
should that's exactly what you want in

3111
02:09:23,910 --> 02:09:22,880
the log

3112
02:09:29,830 --> 02:09:23,920
so

3113
02:09:31,910 --> 02:09:29,840
that had eyes on this thing um

3114
02:09:34,790 --> 02:09:31,920
and of the people that were sort of

3115
02:09:37,910 --> 02:09:34,800
involved with the logging

3116
02:09:40,229 --> 02:09:37,920
another gent said the same thing and

3117
02:09:42,470 --> 02:09:40,239
they almost felt that it was sort of a

3118
02:09:45,270 --> 02:09:42,480
stigma thing where

3119
02:09:47,750 --> 02:09:45,280
um logging it would have had

3120
02:09:51,750 --> 02:09:47,760
they would have had to answer to

3121
02:09:53,030 --> 02:09:51,760
their off their senior officer about

3122
02:09:55,669 --> 02:09:53,040
what this is

3123
02:09:57,830 --> 02:09:55,679
and usually in those chains of command

3124
02:09:59,750 --> 02:09:57,840
if you have a problem in the navy you

3125
02:10:02,069 --> 02:09:59,760
want to have the solution if you bring

3126
02:10:04,390 --> 02:10:02,079
that to your commander for instance

3127
02:10:06,950 --> 02:10:04,400
whoever your um you know lead petty

3128
02:10:09,270 --> 02:10:06,960
officer or the chief above you is so

3129
02:10:11,189 --> 02:10:09,280
there was kind of a resistance to log it

3130
02:10:12,870 --> 02:10:11,199
according to these guys and it wasn't

3131
02:10:14,390 --> 02:10:12,880
because it was some cover-up it was like

3132
02:10:16,629 --> 02:10:14,400
don't put that in there man

3133
02:10:18,950 --> 02:10:16,639
are you crazy you know like it's almost

3134
02:10:20,709 --> 02:10:18,960
like the stigma and carl talked about

3135
02:10:22,790 --> 02:10:20,719
you know the captain too like no one

3136
02:10:25,510 --> 02:10:22,800
told the captain don't the last thing we

3137
02:10:27,669 --> 02:10:25,520
did was go wake up the captain you know

3138
02:10:29,109 --> 02:10:27,679
and he said the only time they woke up

3139
02:10:32,390 --> 02:10:29,119
the captain is when they almost hit a

3140
02:10:35,109 --> 02:10:32,400
buoy one time but the uap thing hovering

3141
02:10:36,229 --> 02:10:35,119
over the carrier didn't seem to really

3142
02:10:38,550 --> 02:10:36,239
rattle

3143
02:10:40,229 --> 02:10:38,560
anybody it's a very odd thing and all

3144
02:10:41,350 --> 02:10:40,239
these different witnesses that i talked

3145
02:10:43,189 --> 02:10:41,360
to kind of

3146
02:10:44,950 --> 02:10:43,199
echo that same thing and i don't

3147
02:10:46,709 --> 02:10:44,960
understand it i mean you know was it

3148
02:10:49,109 --> 02:10:46,719
because they were some people said they

3149
02:10:52,550 --> 02:10:49,119
were so busy and they were working you

3150
02:10:55,109 --> 02:10:52,560
know 16 hour days with no sleep um in

3151
02:10:56,790 --> 02:10:55,119
these shifts and that really you're like

3152
02:10:58,790 --> 02:10:56,800
oh yeah look at the ufo and then you

3153
02:11:01,270 --> 02:10:58,800
just kind of like went back to your bunk

3154
02:11:03,350 --> 02:11:01,280
or whatever um so i mean there could

3155
02:11:06,310 --> 02:11:03,360
have been some of that or was there also

3156
02:11:08,149 --> 02:11:06,320
some type of hypnotic effect that just

3157
02:11:10,470 --> 02:11:08,159
made people feel like hey nothing to

3158
02:11:12,470 --> 02:11:10,480
worry about you know i don't know it's

3159
02:11:13,990 --> 02:11:12,480
not firing on us

3160
02:11:14,950 --> 02:11:14,000
and and

3161
02:11:28,069 --> 02:11:14,960
he

3162
02:11:29,589 --> 02:11:28,079
be it's so close dave

3163
02:11:31,510 --> 02:11:29,599
that the sensors that are used to

3164
02:11:34,629 --> 02:11:31,520
picking up missiles

3165
02:11:38,069 --> 02:11:34,639
or other ships or other aircraft from

3166
02:11:39,830 --> 02:11:38,079
distance this was so close it was inside

3167
02:11:42,470 --> 02:11:39,840
the sensor ranges

3168
02:11:43,910 --> 02:11:42,480
that's right trippy within the you know

3169
02:11:46,149 --> 02:11:43,920
if you have a radar there's going to be

3170
02:11:49,990 --> 02:11:46,159
radar clutter

3171
02:11:52,069 --> 02:11:50,000
around the radar close to the radar but

3172
02:11:54,390 --> 02:11:52,079
one witness did say that they were

3173
02:11:56,149 --> 02:11:54,400
talking to the tactical operations

3174
02:11:58,229 --> 02:11:56,159
center and that

3175
02:12:00,950 --> 02:11:58,239
she believed that they did have it on

3176
02:12:02,790 --> 02:12:00,960
raider when it departed or maybe when it

3177
02:12:05,350 --> 02:12:02,800
was you know further away from the ship

3178
02:12:08,149 --> 02:12:05,360
because this witness basically said that

3179
02:12:10,470 --> 02:12:08,159
she saw the thing shoot off into the the

3180
02:12:13,430 --> 02:12:10,480
clouds and you know as carl mentioned

3181
02:12:14,950 --> 02:12:13,440
his friends saw something similar um so

3182
02:12:16,790 --> 02:12:14,960
she said that when that happened that

3183
02:12:18,390 --> 02:12:16,800
they were they seemed to be interested

3184
02:12:20,550 --> 02:12:18,400
in the you know in the combat

3185
02:12:23,030 --> 02:12:20,560
information center on the carrier right

3186
02:12:26,390 --> 02:12:23,040
right incredible okay so we've got

3187
02:12:28,790 --> 02:12:26,400
uh your your animation your

3188
02:12:32,229 --> 02:12:28,800
computer generated

3189
02:12:33,270 --> 02:12:32,239
uh i'm gonna pull this up and uh walk us

3190
02:12:36,149 --> 02:12:33,280
through this

3191
02:12:39,430 --> 02:12:36,159
yeah so um in interviewing carl and

3192
02:12:41,830 --> 02:12:39,440
working with carl um i was doing 3d

3193
02:12:43,109 --> 02:12:41,840
animation and compositing to try to

3194
02:12:45,270 --> 02:12:43,119
recreate

3195
02:12:47,589 --> 02:12:45,280
what they were describing and so

3196
02:12:50,790 --> 02:12:47,599
the youtube video that i have

3197
02:12:52,870 --> 02:12:50,800
on my channel basically has his story

3198
02:12:55,669 --> 02:12:52,880
that's illustrated with these graphics

3199
02:12:58,629 --> 02:12:55,679
and this was sort of one of the uh

3200
02:13:01,350 --> 02:12:58,639
you know final iterations of what he was

3201
02:13:03,270 --> 02:13:01,360
describing to me i kept updating it and

3202
02:13:04,790 --> 02:13:03,280
trying to you know

3203
02:13:07,350 --> 02:13:04,800
understand what they were describing

3204
02:13:09,910 --> 02:13:07,360
that the surface was burning and boiling

3205
02:13:10,870 --> 02:13:09,920
and looked like it was on fire

3206
02:13:12,629 --> 02:13:10,880
um

3207
02:13:14,310 --> 02:13:12,639
one of the witnesses said it looked like

3208
02:13:17,750 --> 02:13:14,320
a mini sun

3209
02:13:19,270 --> 02:13:17,760
like or the science videos of a close-up

3210
02:13:22,709 --> 02:13:19,280
of the sun

3211
02:13:25,910 --> 02:13:22,719
one guy said it looked like it was a gas

3212
02:13:27,830 --> 02:13:25,920
gaseous um so that's kind of my

3213
02:13:30,790 --> 02:13:27,840
iteration of it and i could show you

3214
02:13:32,390 --> 02:13:30,800
some other um animations here

3215
02:13:34,149 --> 02:13:32,400
that are like maybe a little more

3216
02:13:36,229 --> 02:13:34,159
illustrative so

3217
02:13:38,149 --> 02:13:36,239
this just kind of i believe rotates

3218
02:13:41,030 --> 02:13:38,159
around to show that

3219
02:13:43,669 --> 02:13:41,040
you know the the object was sort of

3220
02:13:45,030 --> 02:13:43,679
hovering over the bow of the aircraft

3221
02:13:46,470 --> 02:13:45,040
carrier see if i can make this bigger

3222
02:13:47,270 --> 02:13:46,480
for you

3223
02:13:48,870 --> 02:13:47,280
um

3224
02:13:51,030 --> 02:13:48,880
see

3225
02:13:51,990 --> 02:13:51,040
right so it wasn't like

3226
02:13:53,910 --> 02:13:52,000
right

3227
02:13:56,310 --> 02:13:53,920
you know it wasn't like the sun or the

3228
02:13:58,629 --> 02:13:56,320
moon or something they this thing was

3229
02:14:00,069 --> 02:13:58,639
over the the deck and a bunch of the

3230
02:14:01,750 --> 02:14:00,079
people said they were launching planes

3231
02:14:04,390 --> 02:14:01,760
some people said that

3232
02:14:06,229 --> 02:14:04,400
they weren't launching aircraft at the

3233
02:14:09,270 --> 02:14:06,239
time that that had

3234
02:14:11,910 --> 02:14:09,280
concluded and um

3235
02:14:14,069 --> 02:14:11,920
you know the the object was there and

3236
02:14:17,109 --> 02:14:14,079
they were putting away the planes

3237
02:14:19,669 --> 02:14:17,119
um so there's a little uh discrepancy by

3238
02:14:21,750 --> 02:14:19,679
some of the people whether yeah you know

3239
02:14:24,310 --> 02:14:21,760
definitely there was uh

3240
02:14:25,589 --> 02:14:24,320
um aircraft being launched while this

3241
02:14:26,550 --> 02:14:25,599
thing was

3242
02:14:28,790 --> 02:14:26,560
hovering

3243
02:14:32,470 --> 02:14:28,800
over the ship which would have been a

3244
02:14:34,229 --> 02:14:32,480
concern for the the aviators i'm sure so

3245
02:14:36,310 --> 02:14:34,239
right right right

3246
02:14:38,870 --> 02:14:36,320
but then you know again the no one seems

3247
02:14:41,669 --> 02:14:38,880
to be paying attention on the bridge

3248
02:14:43,750 --> 02:14:41,679
the the uap is hovering over and they're

3249
02:14:44,790 --> 02:14:43,760
just kind of hanging out

3250
02:14:45,830 --> 02:14:44,800
um

3251
02:14:47,430 --> 02:14:45,840
and

3252
02:14:49,189 --> 02:14:47,440
here's another one

3253
02:14:51,270 --> 02:14:49,199
you know like lots of people were on the

3254
02:14:52,390 --> 02:14:51,280
flight deck these guys were looking down

3255
02:14:55,430 --> 02:14:52,400
from the

3256
02:14:57,430 --> 02:14:55,440
high up on 50 feet up in the

3257
02:14:59,189 --> 02:14:57,440
the island the super structure looking

3258
02:15:00,069 --> 02:14:59,199
down and these guys are on the flight

3259
02:15:02,790 --> 02:15:00,079
deck

3260
02:15:06,310 --> 02:15:02,800
um kind of looking up at this thing

3261
02:15:08,510 --> 02:15:06,320
you know that's like hovering over the

3262
02:15:12,069 --> 02:15:08,520
that so i mean this is a visual

3263
02:15:14,229 --> 02:15:12,079
representation that i created of so of

3264
02:15:15,669 --> 02:15:14,239
what these witnesses said they witnessed

3265
02:15:17,510 --> 02:15:15,679
and

3266
02:15:19,430 --> 02:15:17,520
you know for the life of me i really

3267
02:15:21,430 --> 02:15:19,440
can't explain it i mean and i ca the

3268
02:15:24,229 --> 02:15:21,440
thing i can't explain is

3269
02:15:25,830 --> 02:15:24,239
first of all the the seeming lack of

3270
02:15:28,470 --> 02:15:25,840
response

3271
02:15:30,709 --> 02:15:28,480
and you know some people apparently

3272
02:15:33,669 --> 02:15:30,719
weren't aware of it but i guess on the

3273
02:15:36,709 --> 02:15:33,679
ship of 6 000 people it's possible that

3274
02:15:37,669 --> 02:15:36,719
you know not everyone knew about this

3275
02:15:40,709 --> 02:15:37,679
you're

3276
02:15:42,950 --> 02:15:40,719
you really bring it to life

3277
02:15:45,910 --> 02:15:42,960
i mean this is

3278
02:15:48,390 --> 02:15:45,920
this is crazy to me

3279
02:15:50,550 --> 02:15:48,400
and you really you really bring it to

3280
02:15:51,990 --> 02:15:50,560
life here

3281
02:15:53,350 --> 02:15:52,000
right i mean

3282
02:15:55,270 --> 02:15:53,360
you know that's

3283
02:15:56,470 --> 02:15:55,280
just these graphics really help

3284
02:15:58,790 --> 02:15:56,480
illustrate

3285
02:16:00,390 --> 02:15:58,800
kind of what what were they doing what

3286
02:16:02,470 --> 02:16:00,400
were they looking at uh they were on the

3287
02:16:05,030 --> 02:16:02,480
bridge they were looking out this is

3288
02:16:07,350 --> 02:16:05,040
what probably they were seeing

3289
02:16:09,430 --> 02:16:07,360
it's pretty incredible um

3290
02:16:11,030 --> 02:16:09,440
now he said carl

3291
02:16:12,310 --> 02:16:11,040
and well i'm sure the other witnesses

3292
02:16:14,310 --> 02:16:12,320
said the same thing

3293
02:16:16,229 --> 02:16:14,320
but uh carl

3294
02:16:17,750 --> 02:16:16,239
just said if i'm understanding him

3295
02:16:18,390 --> 02:16:17,760
correctly

3296
02:16:21,990 --> 02:16:18,400
that

3297
02:16:23,510 --> 02:16:22,000
this paced the ship at 22 knots for six

3298
02:16:25,510 --> 02:16:23,520
hours it stayed with them it was

3299
02:16:28,790 --> 02:16:25,520
tracking them right many of the

3300
02:16:30,870 --> 02:16:28,800
witnesses reported that the the object

3301
02:16:33,589 --> 02:16:30,880
seemed not to be moving

3302
02:16:34,790 --> 02:16:33,599
even though the vessel was moving so

3303
02:16:36,469 --> 02:16:34,800
normally

3304
02:16:39,669 --> 02:16:36,479
if they were doing air ops they would be

3305
02:16:41,990 --> 02:16:39,679
doing 22 knots but you know 20 knots is

3306
02:16:44,230 --> 02:16:42,000
a common speed that they would be

3307
02:16:47,990 --> 02:16:44,240
cruising along at and this object was

3308
02:16:50,469 --> 02:16:48,000
pacing the ship and then obviously there

3309
02:16:52,709 --> 02:16:50,479
were also movements and several

3310
02:16:55,669 --> 02:16:52,719
witnesses uh reported this thing

3311
02:16:57,429 --> 02:16:55,679
shooting off into the sky at blistering

3312
02:16:59,509 --> 02:16:57,439
speeds

3313
02:17:02,389 --> 02:16:59,519
no one that i talked to actually saw it

3314
02:17:03,830 --> 02:17:02,399
arrive they saw it their attention was

3315
02:17:05,509 --> 02:17:03,840
directed to it

3316
02:17:08,070 --> 02:17:05,519
maybe because somebody else was looking

3317
02:17:10,389 --> 02:17:08,080
at it they were out on the outside of

3318
02:17:12,070 --> 02:17:10,399
the bridge on the starboard forward

3319
02:17:14,070 --> 02:17:12,080
lookout post

3320
02:17:16,950 --> 02:17:14,080
and they saw people looking up and then

3321
02:17:18,389 --> 02:17:16,960
their um attention would be drawn to it

3322
02:17:20,870 --> 02:17:18,399
and then they would see it from that

3323
02:17:22,629 --> 02:17:20,880
position and you know at that point they

3324
02:17:24,389 --> 02:17:22,639
were like you know here's here's an

3325
02:17:25,429 --> 02:17:24,399
animation i did that was that shows kind

3326
02:17:27,509 --> 02:17:25,439
of like

3327
02:17:29,990 --> 02:17:27,519
they're outside and they come walking

3328
02:17:31,110 --> 02:17:30,000
around you know and there's this thing

3329
02:17:35,190 --> 02:17:31,120
right um

3330
02:17:36,629 --> 02:17:35,200
now um and the way that you set this up

3331
02:17:38,709 --> 02:17:36,639
i'm going to tell you the way it feels

3332
02:17:40,709 --> 02:17:38,719
to me so let's

3333
02:17:43,429 --> 02:17:40,719
it looks like it's

3334
02:17:45,990 --> 02:17:43,439
uh above the ship maybe a quarter mile

3335
02:17:48,629 --> 02:17:46,000
in front not very far

3336
02:17:51,429 --> 02:17:48,639
um so that would make this object and

3337
02:17:52,230 --> 02:17:51,439
again i'm this is from what i'm seeing

3338
02:17:54,629 --> 02:17:52,240
here

3339
02:17:57,270 --> 02:17:54,639
maybe a hundred to two hundred feet in

3340
02:17:59,589 --> 02:17:57,280
diameter is that is that am i in the

3341
02:18:01,750 --> 02:17:59,599
ballpark the the people that reported

3342
02:18:05,270 --> 02:18:01,760
this thought that it might be the size

3343
02:18:06,309 --> 02:18:05,280
of a jet which is going to be about 40

3344
02:18:08,549 --> 02:18:06,319
feet

3345
02:18:10,629 --> 02:18:08,559
wide so that was kind of the estimate

3346
02:18:13,429 --> 02:18:10,639
that they were given they thought maybe

3347
02:18:15,190 --> 02:18:13,439
this object was directly above the bow

3348
02:18:16,790 --> 02:18:15,200
200 feet in the air

3349
02:18:19,349 --> 02:18:16,800
and if that would be the case it would

3350
02:18:22,309 --> 02:18:19,359
be in in my animation that's about a 40

3351
02:18:25,429 --> 02:18:22,319
foot wide that's 50 feet yeah yeah yeah

3352
02:18:28,469 --> 02:18:25,439
so directly above the bow yeah uh 10

3353
02:18:30,150 --> 02:18:28,479
stories up that's 100 feet in the air

3354
02:18:31,589 --> 02:18:30,160
and now we're talking about something i

3355
02:18:34,950 --> 02:18:31,599
was thinking it was further out that's

3356
02:18:37,110 --> 02:18:34,960
why i was saying uh 200 feet but if it's

3357
02:18:40,870 --> 02:18:37,120
directly above the bow we're talking

3358
02:18:42,230 --> 02:18:40,880
about a solid object that was 50 feet in

3359
02:18:43,509 --> 02:18:42,240
diameter

3360
02:18:46,790 --> 02:18:43,519
above

3361
02:18:49,669 --> 02:18:46,800
the ship for six hours carl said when he

3362
02:18:51,750 --> 02:18:49,679
started his watch it was already there

3363
02:18:55,110 --> 02:18:51,760
yeah carl's the only one that i have

3364
02:18:58,150 --> 02:18:55,120
talked to that has the the lengthy

3365
02:19:00,629 --> 02:18:58,160
sighting the other people um were the

3366
02:19:02,870 --> 02:19:00,639
deck department they were the lookouts

3367
02:19:05,429 --> 02:19:02,880
that were moving around during their

3368
02:19:07,190 --> 02:19:05,439
watches they would rotate so they might

3369
02:19:09,509 --> 02:19:07,200
be in one location for an hour they

3370
02:19:11,750 --> 02:19:09,519
would rotate to the next watch location

3371
02:19:13,429 --> 02:19:11,760
and continue that throughout there those

3372
02:19:16,709 --> 02:19:13,439
individuals said that they thought that

3373
02:19:18,790 --> 02:19:16,719
the sighting lasted within minutes

3374
02:19:21,830 --> 02:19:18,800
that sometimes they don't remember it

3375
02:19:23,589 --> 02:19:21,840
leaving so they they only recall seeing

3376
02:19:25,349 --> 02:19:23,599
it for a few minutes

3377
02:19:28,230 --> 02:19:25,359
the girl that said that she saw it

3378
02:19:29,830 --> 02:19:28,240
leaving only saw for a few minutes

3379
02:19:32,709 --> 02:19:29,840
the one sailor

3380
02:19:34,709 --> 02:19:32,719
that was named patrick he saw it for a

3381
02:19:36,150 --> 02:19:34,719
few minutes on the starboard forward

3382
02:19:38,150 --> 02:19:36,160
lookout position

3383
02:19:39,110 --> 02:19:38,160
and he saw it from the fan tail position

3384
02:19:41,429 --> 02:19:39,120
as well

3385
02:19:42,870 --> 02:19:41,439
but both times they were relatively

3386
02:19:44,790 --> 02:19:42,880
quick

3387
02:19:47,270 --> 02:19:44,800
carl was the only one that you know that

3388
02:19:49,990 --> 02:19:47,280
was staring out from the bridge for his

3389
02:19:52,950 --> 02:19:50,000
entire watch that said that it was there

3390
02:19:55,429 --> 02:19:52,960
i can't take my eyes off this animation

3391
02:19:56,950 --> 02:19:55,439
yeah this is uh you really bring it to

3392
02:20:02,150 --> 02:19:56,960
this is

3393
02:20:04,950 --> 02:20:02,160
right we've got to think about this from

3394
02:20:06,710 --> 02:20:04,960
another mindset here what is actually

3395
02:20:09,510 --> 02:20:06,720
going on

3396
02:20:11,429 --> 02:20:09,520
i was surprised to learn that this is

3397
02:20:12,710 --> 02:20:11,439
very common that this

3398
02:20:13,510 --> 02:20:12,720
type of

3399
02:20:15,429 --> 02:20:13,520
uh

3400
02:20:18,630 --> 02:20:15,439
uap or ufo

3401
02:20:21,270 --> 02:20:18,640
a red fireball

3402
02:20:22,389 --> 02:20:21,280
is actually quite common and

3403
02:20:26,469 --> 02:20:22,399
often

3404
02:20:29,830 --> 02:20:26,479
involves very unusual circumstances

3405
02:20:33,590 --> 02:20:29,840
the first cases that i came across were

3406
02:20:37,030 --> 02:20:33,600
nuclear weapon storage areas

3407
02:20:41,030 --> 02:20:37,040
sure in the 60s and 70s there's a case

3408
02:20:43,670 --> 02:20:41,040
out of maine in the early 70s where

3409
02:20:46,469 --> 02:20:43,680
air force personnel at a weapons storage

3410
02:20:47,429 --> 02:20:46,479
area air force base in loring

3411
02:20:49,990 --> 02:20:47,439
maine

3412
02:20:51,429 --> 02:20:50,000
witnessed an object just like this in

3413
02:20:53,590 --> 02:20:51,439
the description

3414
02:20:56,550 --> 02:20:53,600
hovering about five feet in the air near

3415
02:20:59,270 --> 02:20:56,560
one of the weapons storage areas

3416
02:21:01,910 --> 02:20:59,280
this guy you know has like a notarized

3417
02:21:04,230 --> 02:21:01,920
statement that saw this on the record

3418
02:21:05,830 --> 02:21:04,240
basically this kind of was investigated

3419
02:21:08,389 --> 02:21:05,840
as a mystery of these

3420
02:21:11,110 --> 02:21:08,399
incursions over these sensitive areas

3421
02:21:13,990 --> 02:21:11,120
very similar object was cited over

3422
02:21:17,429 --> 02:21:14,000
mentioned in the open hearings maelstrom

3423
02:21:20,870 --> 02:21:17,439
air force base and then messing with the

3424
02:21:23,590 --> 02:21:20,880
minuteman nuclear weapon flights and you

3425
02:21:27,270 --> 02:21:23,600
know this type of object was hovering

3426
02:21:29,830 --> 02:21:27,280
over the gate of oscar and echo flights

3427
02:21:31,830 --> 02:21:29,840
of malstrom air force base at least

3428
02:21:34,309 --> 02:21:31,840
according to the witnesses

3429
02:21:36,309 --> 02:21:34,319
other cases like

3430
02:21:38,230 --> 02:21:36,319
some abduction cases

3431
02:21:40,950 --> 02:21:38,240
missing time

3432
02:21:43,270 --> 02:21:40,960
i know that have been you know reported

3433
02:21:45,910 --> 02:21:43,280
when these objects like this are you

3434
02:21:47,830 --> 02:21:45,920
know in particular encounter now again i

3435
02:21:50,309 --> 02:21:47,840
don't know if that this is like

3436
02:21:53,110 --> 02:21:50,319
you know some kind of non-human thing

3437
02:21:54,790 --> 02:21:53,120
this could be something else entirely

3438
02:21:56,790 --> 02:21:54,800
not related to this but it's pretty

3439
02:21:58,469 --> 02:21:56,800
strange you know yeah it's very strange

3440
02:21:59,510 --> 02:21:58,479
i mean could it be natural could it be

3441
02:22:01,429 --> 02:21:59,520
some kind of

3442
02:22:04,070 --> 02:22:01,439
atmosphere it could it be some type of

3443
02:22:07,190 --> 02:22:04,080
ball stationary ball lightning some kind

3444
02:22:09,830 --> 02:22:07,200
of platinum natural plasma

3445
02:22:12,469 --> 02:22:09,840
but it's over the open ocean

3446
02:22:15,349 --> 02:22:12,479
and where he's talking about north of

3447
02:22:18,309 --> 02:22:15,359
bermuda now well you're gonna have ships

3448
02:22:21,030 --> 02:22:18,319
uh and aircraft once in a while but

3449
02:22:23,190 --> 02:22:21,040
basically you are alone for hundreds of

3450
02:22:25,830 --> 02:22:23,200
miles in every direction

3451
02:22:28,550 --> 02:22:25,840
so this wouldn't have been launched from

3452
02:22:31,270 --> 02:22:28,560
something else this isn't a uav

3453
02:22:32,870 --> 02:22:31,280
or or anything else it's uh it's a very

3454
02:22:34,790 --> 02:22:32,880
unique description

3455
02:22:35,670 --> 02:22:34,800
um it also you know what it reminds me

3456
02:22:37,670 --> 02:22:35,680
of

3457
02:22:38,790 --> 02:22:37,680
i'm just gonna go there has no

3458
02:22:43,030 --> 02:22:38,800
connection

3459
02:22:45,590 --> 02:22:43,040
but your animation reminds me of

3460
02:22:50,070 --> 02:22:45,600
the intelligence

3461
02:22:52,230 --> 02:22:50,080
at the beginning of the fifth element

3462
02:22:54,230 --> 02:22:52,240
do you know i think i i know i've seen

3463
02:22:56,070 --> 02:22:54,240
that like years ago and somebody else i

3464
02:22:58,790 --> 02:22:56,080
think brought that up too based on this

3465
02:23:00,389 --> 02:22:58,800
animation right and it kind of triggers

3466
02:23:02,550 --> 02:23:00,399
this this image right here triggers

3467
02:23:04,790 --> 02:23:02,560
stuff in certain people that have like

3468
02:23:06,469 --> 02:23:04,800
also seen similar things they're like

3469
02:23:08,630 --> 02:23:06,479
dude that was exactly what i saw out in

3470
02:23:12,070 --> 02:23:08,640
the desert in like you know 87 or

3471
02:23:13,030 --> 02:23:12,080
whatever um so i don't know what that is

3472
02:23:14,950 --> 02:23:13,040
but

3473
02:23:16,469 --> 02:23:14,960
it's pretty strange you know in in the

3474
02:23:18,550 --> 02:23:16,479
article that i wrote

3475
02:23:20,550 --> 02:23:18,560
jimmy i tried to look at prosaic

3476
02:23:23,190 --> 02:23:20,560
explanations one one thing would be well

3477
02:23:25,030 --> 02:23:23,200
this was some type of secret test and

3478
02:23:27,190 --> 02:23:25,040
that's the reason why

3479
02:23:29,910 --> 02:23:27,200
the officers weren't reacting it

3480
02:23:33,110 --> 02:23:29,920
probably was some type of balloon or

3481
02:23:34,710 --> 02:23:33,120
cloaking device maybe it was you know

3482
02:23:38,309 --> 02:23:34,720
more recently

3483
02:23:40,870 --> 02:23:38,319
plasmas laser induced plasmas

3484
02:23:44,309 --> 02:23:40,880
that are being generated in the sky as

3485
02:23:45,830 --> 02:23:44,319
spoofing for incoming missiles now i i

3486
02:23:47,429 --> 02:23:45,840
don't know if that was operational in

3487
02:23:48,950 --> 02:23:47,439
2004 but

3488
02:23:51,349 --> 02:23:48,960
the guys that i talked to that were

3489
02:23:53,349 --> 02:23:51,359
there and were out on the ship looking

3490
02:23:56,230 --> 02:23:53,359
at this thing said they didn't see any

3491
02:23:58,070 --> 02:23:56,240
uh you know bat signal generator on the

3492
02:24:00,230 --> 02:23:58,080
deck or any kind of like projection

3493
02:24:01,990 --> 02:24:00,240
device that would would have been out

3494
02:24:04,230 --> 02:24:02,000
right in front of them projecting this

3495
02:24:08,550 --> 02:24:04,240
in the sky so they kind of discounted

3496
02:24:10,870 --> 02:24:08,560
the fact that this was a secret test um

3497
02:24:12,630 --> 02:24:10,880
yeah i can't take my eyes off of this

3498
02:24:13,590 --> 02:24:12,640
yeah somebody just said

3499
02:24:17,190 --> 02:24:13,600
do you have

3500
02:24:20,630 --> 02:24:17,200
the stones one two three

3501
02:24:22,150 --> 02:24:20,640
four stones oh man uh the fifth element

3502
02:24:26,710 --> 02:24:22,160
what a great movie

3503
02:24:31,110 --> 02:24:30,150
before we move on to the apache um and

3504
02:24:34,870 --> 02:24:31,120
this is

3505
02:24:36,630 --> 02:24:34,880
uh also an important piece of uh video

3506
02:24:39,349 --> 02:24:36,640
um

3507
02:24:41,030 --> 02:24:39,359
according to carl's statement

3508
02:24:43,670 --> 02:24:41,040
that there wasn't anything in the deck

3509
02:24:46,070 --> 02:24:43,680
logs which seems to me that there wasn't

3510
02:24:48,150 --> 02:24:46,080
if the captain wasn't made aware that

3511
02:24:49,110 --> 02:24:48,160
there may not be a paper trail on this

3512
02:24:51,270 --> 02:24:49,120
one

3513
02:24:53,510 --> 02:24:51,280
i don't think so i mean unless you know

3514
02:24:55,349 --> 02:24:53,520
there was radar and it was

3515
02:24:57,750 --> 02:24:55,359
you know in the combat information under

3516
02:24:59,349 --> 02:24:57,760
the the combat the civic the the

3517
02:25:01,910 --> 02:24:59,359
intelligence center

3518
02:25:04,790 --> 02:25:01,920
was tracking this and doing something

3519
02:25:06,790 --> 02:25:04,800
it could have been you know reported and

3520
02:25:08,710 --> 02:25:06,800
and you know wrapped up in

3521
02:25:10,950 --> 02:25:08,720
in you know classification that we won't

3522
02:25:12,790 --> 02:25:10,960
ever see what about video i mean you

3523
02:25:14,710 --> 02:25:12,800
would say it would be video members

3524
02:25:17,590 --> 02:25:14,720
would be shooting this on their cell

3525
02:25:20,070 --> 02:25:17,600
phones uh yeah most people didn't in

3526
02:25:21,750 --> 02:25:20,080
2004 most people you know might have had

3527
02:25:24,230 --> 02:25:21,760
a motorola or something i don't know

3528
02:25:25,830 --> 02:25:24,240
that that had a good camera right the

3529
02:25:27,510 --> 02:25:25,840
ship the vessel

3530
02:25:28,309 --> 02:25:27,520
the vessel itself would have definitely

3531
02:25:31,590 --> 02:25:28,319
had

3532
02:25:33,110 --> 02:25:31,600
uh video cameras on the flight deck so

3533
02:25:35,030 --> 02:25:33,120
you would assume there would be ones

3534
02:25:37,990 --> 02:25:35,040
that are pointing forward you know we've

3535
02:25:40,469 --> 02:25:38,000
all seen the ones of faa teams landing

3536
02:25:42,950 --> 02:25:40,479
um and these are used for training and

3537
02:25:44,710 --> 02:25:42,960
crafts investigation they record they

3538
02:25:47,270 --> 02:25:44,720
record everything yeah they report

3539
02:25:49,429 --> 02:25:47,280
everything yeah they don't stop

3540
02:25:52,710 --> 02:25:49,439
i could assume that there would be video

3541
02:25:55,510 --> 02:25:52,720
yeah yeah this is an incredible incident

3542
02:25:57,910 --> 02:25:55,520
i mean i'm just blown away i just

3543
02:25:59,510 --> 02:25:57,920
if we just get to the facts of this like

3544
02:26:02,389 --> 02:25:59,520
over the bow

3545
02:26:03,670 --> 02:26:02,399
uh a hundred feet in the air a 50-foot

3546
02:26:06,550 --> 02:26:03,680
glowing

3547
02:26:08,469 --> 02:26:06,560
flaming orb you know for

3548
02:26:11,910 --> 02:26:08,479
at least six hours

3549
02:26:15,030 --> 02:26:11,920
um is is pacing with

3550
02:26:16,870 --> 02:26:15,040
a nuclear aircraft carrier that this is

3551
02:26:19,110 --> 02:26:16,880
not only a significant event but there's

3552
02:26:21,270 --> 02:26:19,120
got to be some data

3553
02:26:23,349 --> 02:26:21,280
i like the way he said now that i've

3554
02:26:26,710 --> 02:26:23,359
seen your recreation

3555
02:26:29,190 --> 02:26:26,720
um it is too close for a radar right it

3556
02:26:29,910 --> 02:26:29,200
just the radar is looking past it it's

3557
02:26:35,510 --> 02:26:29,920
not

3558
02:26:37,910 --> 02:26:35,520
it's very close i mean

3559
02:26:39,270 --> 02:26:37,920
and one of the things about this case

3560
02:26:40,630 --> 02:26:39,280
it's so

3561
02:26:42,550 --> 02:26:40,640
crazy

3562
02:26:44,790 --> 02:26:42,560
is you know people will say look man you

3563
02:26:47,670 --> 02:26:44,800
know i mean that

3564
02:26:49,510 --> 02:26:47,680
this is bs you know this this guy is

3565
02:26:50,950 --> 02:26:49,520
lying man this is like he they made up

3566
02:26:52,790 --> 02:26:50,960
the story dave

3567
02:26:54,469 --> 02:26:52,800
the fact is like okay you might think

3568
02:26:55,830 --> 02:26:54,479
okay this is so outlandish that they

3569
02:26:59,030 --> 02:26:55,840
just had to make this story up and

3570
02:27:02,230 --> 02:26:59,040
that's why this is crazy but if you

3571
02:27:04,309 --> 02:27:02,240
start talking to individuals and some

3572
02:27:06,950 --> 02:27:04,319
people that perhaps were

3573
02:27:08,550 --> 02:27:06,960
not really part of the original group

3574
02:27:10,710 --> 02:27:08,560
that was you know

3575
02:27:13,110 --> 02:27:10,720
talking about this online you know carl

3576
02:27:14,790 --> 02:27:13,120
and patrick if you start bridging out to

3577
02:27:17,110 --> 02:27:14,800
other people that

3578
02:27:20,230 --> 02:27:17,120
saw this thing and talking to them they

3579
02:27:21,910 --> 02:27:20,240
hadn't talked to anybody in years and

3580
02:27:24,389 --> 02:27:21,920
frankly i mean if you talk to somebody

3581
02:27:26,389 --> 02:27:24,399
for an hour so you kind of get the idea

3582
02:27:27,750 --> 02:27:26,399
whether they're pulling your leg or if

3583
02:27:29,030 --> 02:27:27,760
they're actually telling you what they

3584
02:27:30,550 --> 02:27:29,040
believe and it's from the heart you're

3585
02:27:32,630 --> 02:27:30,560
asking them questions they're answering

3586
02:27:34,790 --> 02:27:32,640
them and i got the feeling that the the

3587
02:27:36,950 --> 02:27:34,800
the people that i spoke with were just

3588
02:27:38,389 --> 02:27:36,960
from the heart basically saying hey man

3589
02:27:41,110 --> 02:27:38,399
i can't believe no one ever asked about

3590
02:27:42,710 --> 02:27:41,120
this this you know is crazy and i'm glad

3591
02:27:46,309 --> 02:27:42,720
you're actually you know someone's

3592
02:27:49,110 --> 02:27:46,319
finally um trying to like talk about it

3593
02:27:51,429 --> 02:27:49,120
a couple people are still active duty um

3594
02:27:53,110 --> 02:27:51,439
i tried to get them on the record i

3595
02:27:55,270 --> 02:27:53,120
requested with the

3596
02:27:57,750 --> 02:27:55,280
great lakes public affair the navy

3597
02:27:59,349 --> 02:27:57,760
public affairs office if i could speak

3598
02:28:00,710 --> 02:27:59,359
to one of these guys and

3599
02:28:02,309 --> 02:28:00,720
pretty much they were like they asked me

3600
02:28:05,429 --> 02:28:02,319
a few questions and that was the last

3601
02:28:07,030 --> 02:28:05,439
communication i've had from them so

3602
02:28:08,630 --> 02:28:07,040
well yeah i i

3603
02:28:10,830 --> 02:28:08,640
here's the other

3604
02:28:12,469 --> 02:28:10,840
i had a friend of mine

3605
02:28:15,510 --> 02:28:12,479
uh

3606
02:28:17,670 --> 02:28:15,520
that i grew up with in panama and but he

3607
02:28:19,990 --> 02:28:17,680
lives now here in los angeles

3608
02:28:23,270 --> 02:28:20,000
and about five years ago i hadn't seen

3609
02:28:26,550 --> 02:28:23,280
him since we were kids i hadn't seen him

3610
02:28:28,389 --> 02:28:26,560
since i was 16 years old okay but anyway

3611
02:28:30,950 --> 02:28:28,399
so he comes over to the house for dinner

3612
02:28:32,630 --> 02:28:30,960
and you know he knows i had jason martel

3613
02:28:33,670 --> 02:28:32,640
over there and you know from ancient

3614
02:28:36,710 --> 02:28:33,680
aliens

3615
02:28:38,469 --> 02:28:36,720
and he says at dinner on our back patio

3616
02:28:41,030 --> 02:28:38,479
he goes so jimmy man

3617
02:28:42,790 --> 02:28:41,040
you remember the ufo that we saw when we

3618
02:28:45,510 --> 02:28:42,800
were kids like what are you talking

3619
02:28:48,469 --> 02:28:45,520
about because that you lost your mind

3620
02:28:50,389 --> 02:28:48,479
remember it was we were all out and the

3621
02:28:52,070 --> 02:28:50,399
flying saucer was above us and it was

3622
02:28:53,349 --> 02:28:52,080
silver and it was lit up and it was

3623
02:28:57,110 --> 02:28:53,359
spinning and

3624
02:28:58,150 --> 02:28:57,120
and it like what are you talking about

3625
02:29:35,110 --> 02:28:58,160
i

3626
02:29:37,190 --> 02:29:35,120
next day

3627
02:29:38,950 --> 02:29:37,200
no one talked about it really

3628
02:29:40,950 --> 02:29:38,960
yeah and this we all forgot about it and

3629
02:29:44,469 --> 02:29:40,960
went back to your jobs and just forgot

3630
02:29:47,030 --> 02:29:44,479
about it for 16 years yeah easy to do

3631
02:29:48,230 --> 02:29:47,040
easy to do i i have no issues with that

3632
02:29:50,630 --> 02:29:48,240
all right let's take our break you've

3633
02:29:53,510 --> 02:29:50,640
got video of the apache that we can show

3634
02:29:55,990 --> 02:29:53,520
of course you do i think i do i can no i

3635
02:29:58,710 --> 02:29:56,000
know you do you're dave beatty

3636
02:30:00,230 --> 02:29:58,720
you're warren's cousin this is fade to

3637
02:30:01,990 --> 02:30:00,240
black

3638
02:30:04,790 --> 02:30:02,000
i am your host jimmy church dave beatty

3639
02:30:06,630 --> 02:30:04,800
is with us tonight and we're gonna come

3640
02:30:09,110 --> 02:30:06,640
back we're gonna talk about this apache

3641
02:30:11,270 --> 02:30:09,120
helicopter video that is making the

3642
02:30:13,670 --> 02:30:11,280
rounds right here on the internet i'm

3643
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your host jimmy church this is fade to

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jimmy church what a great week we've got

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coming up on fade to black tonight dave

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3726
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then wednesday night uh freddie silva uh

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3731
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beatty and now dave uh this video popped

3732
02:35:16,070 --> 02:35:13,840
up uh

3733
02:35:17,349 --> 02:35:16,080
i think it was uh released by the

3734
02:35:18,790 --> 02:35:17,359
debrief

3735
02:35:20,630 --> 02:35:18,800
of uh

3736
02:35:21,429 --> 02:35:20,640
uh

3737
02:35:23,270 --> 02:35:21,439
now

3738
02:35:25,590 --> 02:35:23,280
this is what i understand and you can

3739
02:35:29,190 --> 02:35:25,600
correct me if i'm wrong it's an apache

3740
02:35:31,270 --> 02:35:29,200
that is getting ready to uh take off

3741
02:35:32,230 --> 02:35:31,280
um two crew

3742
02:35:35,990 --> 02:35:32,240
and

3743
02:35:36,790 --> 02:35:36,000
this video is shot uh there's a pilot

3744
02:35:38,870 --> 02:35:36,800
and

3745
02:35:40,790 --> 02:35:38,880
would you call it a co-pilot or is it

3746
02:35:42,710 --> 02:35:40,800
like a weapons guy you know the second

3747
02:35:44,710 --> 02:35:42,720
guy yeah i think it's like a weapons guy

3748
02:35:47,590 --> 02:35:44,720
i forget what they call the apache

3749
02:35:49,190 --> 02:35:47,600
backseater yeah okay i've lost volume on

3750
02:35:53,190 --> 02:35:49,200
you what happened

3751
02:35:55,990 --> 02:35:53,200
um oh my mic got switched here we go

3752
02:35:57,910 --> 02:35:56,000
yeah he's a professional cinematographer

3753
02:35:59,990 --> 02:35:57,920
everybody

3754
02:36:02,469 --> 02:36:00,000
um okay so

3755
02:36:05,110 --> 02:36:02,479
uh where was this uh shot at

3756
02:36:07,910 --> 02:36:05,120
um it's my understanding that the

3757
02:36:09,429 --> 02:36:07,920
the video was shot in

3758
02:36:11,110 --> 02:36:09,439
arizona

3759
02:36:14,070 --> 02:36:11,120
probably um

3760
02:36:16,550 --> 02:36:14,080
like near saguaro national park or

3761
02:36:18,870 --> 02:36:16,560
something like that in a uh

3762
02:36:20,870 --> 02:36:18,880
air force training area that they use

3763
02:36:23,910 --> 02:36:20,880
for practicing or it might be army i'm

3764
02:36:26,389 --> 02:36:23,920
not exactly sure uh which you know unit

3765
02:36:29,510 --> 02:36:26,399
was filming it but they were out there

3766
02:36:31,910 --> 02:36:29,520
doing training in a very remote kind of

3767
02:36:33,990 --> 02:36:31,920
airspace there in the desert

3768
02:36:35,270 --> 02:36:34,000
and the date

3769
02:36:38,469 --> 02:36:35,280
um

3770
02:36:39,910 --> 02:36:38,479
i believe that this was

3771
02:36:42,230 --> 02:36:39,920
i don't know i'm not sure

3772
02:36:43,190 --> 02:36:42,240
okay well it's recent it's recent

3773
02:36:47,750 --> 02:36:43,200
footage

3774
02:36:50,710 --> 02:36:47,760
and now would you consider this leaked

3775
02:36:53,429 --> 02:36:50,720
i no i think that the story that the

3776
02:36:55,670 --> 02:36:53,439
debrief and um you know the media picked

3777
02:36:58,070 --> 02:36:55,680
up on this was that that there was a

3778
02:36:59,270 --> 02:36:58,080
department of homeland security

3779
02:37:02,870 --> 02:36:59,280
employee

3780
02:37:04,389 --> 02:37:02,880
that was very interested in collecting

3781
02:37:05,990 --> 02:37:04,399
um sort of the

3782
02:37:08,469 --> 02:37:06,000
anomalous

3783
02:37:11,030 --> 02:37:08,479
video and reports that had been coming

3784
02:37:13,110 --> 02:37:11,040
in through customs and border patrol and

3785
02:37:15,510 --> 02:37:13,120
through his department um it just was

3786
02:37:17,670 --> 02:37:15,520
there was no place to kind of collect

3787
02:37:19,990 --> 02:37:17,680
and report these things that some of the

3788
02:37:22,070 --> 02:37:20,000
his co-workers and peers had

3789
02:37:23,910 --> 02:37:22,080
you know kind of been chatting about and

3790
02:37:26,790 --> 02:37:23,920
so he took it upon himself he went to a

3791
02:37:29,030 --> 02:37:26,800
superior um you know they kind of agreed

3792
02:37:30,950 --> 02:37:29,040
and so they were trying to uh collect

3793
02:37:32,790 --> 02:37:30,960
this information in an odd

3794
02:37:34,309 --> 02:37:32,800
ad hoc way and i don't know that this

3795
02:37:36,950 --> 02:37:34,319
was like an official

3796
02:37:39,270 --> 02:37:36,960
you know us government sanction

3797
02:37:41,110 --> 02:37:39,280
program but it was like a uh something

3798
02:37:43,030 --> 02:37:41,120
he wanted to do and his superiors kind

3799
02:37:44,230 --> 02:37:43,040
of agreed to so he began collecting this

3800
02:37:46,710 --> 02:37:44,240
information

3801
02:37:48,550 --> 02:37:46,720
and i think at one point um before it

3802
02:37:51,750 --> 02:37:48,560
was released they discussed the the

3803
02:37:53,429 --> 02:37:51,760
content and the the material that was in

3804
02:37:55,670 --> 02:37:53,439
the videos that it wasn't really

3805
02:37:58,630 --> 02:37:55,680
classified um

3806
02:38:00,870 --> 02:37:58,640
these objects weren't you know um

3807
02:38:04,150 --> 02:38:00,880
you know part of ongoing investigations

3808
02:38:06,389 --> 02:38:04,160
they were just kind of anomalous and so

3809
02:38:08,790 --> 02:38:06,399
several different videos had been leaked

3810
02:38:12,150 --> 02:38:08,800
out probably over the last year or so

3811
02:38:15,830 --> 02:38:12,160
that mostly they were flir videos um out

3812
02:38:18,309 --> 02:38:15,840
in the southwest um you know of objects

3813
02:38:19,510 --> 02:38:18,319
and that's kind of how they are in this

3814
02:38:21,830 --> 02:38:19,520
video that we were talking about right

3815
02:38:22,950 --> 02:38:21,840
now this apache video it's part of that

3816
02:38:24,230 --> 02:38:22,960
collection

3817
02:38:25,670 --> 02:38:24,240
okay

3818
02:38:27,670 --> 02:38:25,680
let's watch the video and then we'll

3819
02:38:28,630 --> 02:38:27,680
come back and talk about it

3820
02:38:31,510 --> 02:38:28,640
sure

3821
02:38:34,630 --> 02:38:31,520
so um the the actual video itself is

3822
02:38:37,110 --> 02:38:34,640
quite lengthy um and it's

3823
02:38:39,190 --> 02:38:37,120
what we're basically seeing is

3824
02:38:42,309 --> 02:38:39,200
what the backseat

3825
02:38:43,910 --> 02:38:42,319
gunner of the apache helicopter sees

3826
02:38:45,349 --> 02:38:43,920
looking through his helmet mounted

3827
02:38:47,910 --> 02:38:45,359
display so

3828
02:38:50,230 --> 02:38:47,920
um his helmet um

3829
02:38:53,110 --> 02:38:50,240
projects basically the targeting system

3830
02:38:56,389 --> 02:38:53,120
of the apache so wherever his head looks

3831
02:38:59,110 --> 02:38:56,399
he can um turn around and uh see

3832
02:39:00,950 --> 02:38:59,120
everything uh that the gun is seeing so

3833
02:39:03,750 --> 02:39:00,960
the camera and the gun system are kind

3834
02:39:06,070 --> 02:39:03,760
of connected together um it's i think

3835
02:39:08,710 --> 02:39:06,080
it's target it's target acquisitioning

3836
02:39:12,469 --> 02:39:08,720
device it's called the tads and so both

3837
02:39:14,870 --> 02:39:12,479
the pilot and the uh co-pilot gunner can

3838
02:39:16,630 --> 02:39:14,880
you know look through the system to

3839
02:39:19,030 --> 02:39:16,640
target whatever they see with their eyes

3840
02:39:20,870 --> 02:39:19,040
it's a very sophisticated sensor and

3841
02:39:23,590 --> 02:39:20,880
these guys were out you know

3842
02:39:24,469 --> 02:39:23,600
training and doing some uh taxiing and

3843
02:39:26,630 --> 02:39:24,479
you can

3844
02:39:29,910 --> 02:39:26,640
in the video you do hear the the pilot

3845
02:39:33,270 --> 02:39:29,920
and the co-pilot talking um just routine

3846
02:39:35,910 --> 02:39:33,280
flight training stuff and it's you know

3847
02:39:39,670 --> 02:39:35,920
this goes on for quite a long time and

3848
02:39:41,830 --> 02:39:39,680
the actual uh uap part of the the clip

3849
02:39:43,830 --> 02:39:41,840
is really just kind of a small section

3850
02:39:47,349 --> 02:39:43,840
of it let's see if i can cue it up here

3851
02:39:52,870 --> 02:39:49,670
i don't seem to have control of my

3852
02:39:56,469 --> 02:39:52,880
cursor anymore

3853
02:39:57,750 --> 02:39:56,479
nothing like live radio

3854
02:40:02,469 --> 02:39:57,760
and uh

3855
02:40:04,790 --> 02:40:02,479
so again this is from the gunners uh the

3856
02:40:07,670 --> 02:40:04,800
weapons guy sitting

3857
02:40:09,990 --> 02:40:07,680
uh now they're tandem they sit behind

3858
02:40:12,309 --> 02:40:10,000
each other on on the apache they're not

3859
02:40:15,590 --> 02:40:12,319
sitting side by side

3860
02:40:18,950 --> 02:40:15,600
and so as he moves his head

3861
02:40:20,790 --> 02:40:18,960
that is what is being videoed and that's

3862
02:40:23,429 --> 02:40:20,800
what we're seeing so this is

3863
02:40:26,309 --> 02:40:23,439
this is the the weapons

3864
02:40:28,150 --> 02:40:26,319
view yeah that's correct so basically

3865
02:40:30,550 --> 02:40:28,160
this is like the the

3866
02:40:31,910 --> 02:40:30,560
guy in the back seat um

3867
02:40:33,190 --> 02:40:31,920
or it might be the front not yeah i

3868
02:40:35,670 --> 02:40:33,200
think he's in the front i think the

3869
02:40:37,510 --> 02:40:35,680
pilot's in the back right yeah

3870
02:40:39,349 --> 02:40:37,520
um so they're looking through their

3871
02:40:41,990 --> 02:40:39,359
helmet but they have night vision

3872
02:40:44,469 --> 02:40:42,000
devices on on the helmet that when they

3873
02:40:47,590 --> 02:40:44,479
you know look around they basically are

3874
02:40:50,630 --> 02:40:47,600
seeing through the fleer camera so this

3875
02:40:52,950 --> 02:40:50,640
video was taken approximately at 10 p.m

3876
02:40:54,230 --> 02:40:52,960
at night so even though it kind of looks

3877
02:40:56,469 --> 02:40:54,240
pretty bright that's because they're

3878
02:41:00,150 --> 02:40:56,479
flying at night and they're using this

3879
02:41:03,030 --> 02:41:00,160
uh you know flir vision system um

3880
02:41:06,150 --> 02:41:03,040
tracking it and now do you have do you

3881
02:41:08,309 --> 02:41:06,160
have the audio that happens right here

3882
02:41:10,550 --> 02:41:08,319
i didn't test it i can try to see if

3883
02:41:12,230 --> 02:41:10,560
it'll work let's see here

3884
02:41:14,389 --> 02:41:12,240
in stream yard i'm not sure if it'll

3885
02:41:16,389 --> 02:41:14,399
play no it will

3886
02:41:18,230 --> 02:41:16,399
let's see

3887
02:41:21,750 --> 02:41:18,240
well if i turn my volume up it's going

3888
02:41:21,760 --> 02:41:31,190
there it is

3889
02:41:36,950 --> 02:41:33,190
so you know it's it's actually quite

3890
02:41:40,389 --> 02:41:36,960
routine for most of the video

3891
02:41:41,269 --> 02:41:40,399
um it's only towards the end where they

3892
02:41:47,590 --> 02:41:41,279
kind of

3893
02:41:53,269 --> 02:41:51,590
all right clear left right and overhead

3894
02:41:55,030 --> 02:41:53,279
so i'm gonna try to see if i can fast

3895
02:41:56,870 --> 02:41:55,040
forward right now the my system is not

3896
02:41:59,190 --> 02:41:56,880
letting me actually

3897
02:42:01,190 --> 02:41:59,200
control the well this is about where it

3898
02:42:02,790 --> 02:42:01,200
happens

3899
02:42:06,630 --> 02:42:02,800
let me just kind of i'll kind of go fast

3900
02:42:06,640 --> 02:42:16,469
here's the thing

3901
02:42:21,269 --> 02:42:19,670
hey dave can you enlarge this for us

3902
02:42:24,790 --> 02:42:21,279
yeah let me see

3903
02:42:29,349 --> 02:42:26,790
yeah i wasn't sorry jimmy i just wasn't

3904
02:42:32,150 --> 02:42:29,359
really prepared it's nice to pull this

3905
02:42:34,150 --> 02:42:32,160
up kind of like at the last second so

3906
02:42:36,790 --> 02:42:34,160
and now it won't let my cursor won't let

3907
02:42:44,070 --> 02:42:36,800
me like go fast forward here you know

3908
02:42:47,990 --> 02:42:46,389
and this is like an i think it's like an

3909
02:42:49,830 --> 02:42:48,000
hour like well it looks like it's an

3910
02:42:51,910 --> 02:42:49,840
hour long video you know

3911
02:42:53,429 --> 02:42:51,920
so finding the exact spot without being

3912
02:42:55,750 --> 02:42:53,439
able to queue it up is kind of a

3913
02:42:59,030 --> 02:42:55,760
challenge for me

3914
02:43:01,510 --> 02:42:59,040
but in essence you know um

3915
02:43:03,830 --> 02:43:01,520
what these guys saw were like

3916
02:43:07,110 --> 02:43:03,840
some white objects that

3917
02:43:09,030 --> 02:43:07,120
are you know in the distance and the

3918
02:43:12,230 --> 02:43:09,040
instructor pilots like doing his thing

3919
02:43:14,150 --> 02:43:12,240
in the the person the co-pilot that's

3920
02:43:16,150 --> 02:43:14,160
the trainee so to speak

3921
02:43:18,790 --> 02:43:16,160
notices the objects and says hey you

3922
02:43:20,630 --> 02:43:18,800
know what are those things and the

3923
02:43:22,389 --> 02:43:20,640
instructor pilot looks up or you know

3924
02:43:24,630 --> 02:43:22,399
kind of glances up and says

3925
02:43:25,670 --> 02:43:24,640
oh those are probably f-16s they're fast

3926
02:43:27,110 --> 02:43:25,680
movers

3927
02:43:28,550 --> 02:43:27,120
and then he kind of goes back to what

3928
02:43:30,230 --> 02:43:28,560
he's doing and he says you know

3929
02:43:31,269 --> 02:43:30,240
something like don't look up there like

3930
02:43:33,510 --> 02:43:31,279
her

3931
02:43:35,349 --> 02:43:33,520
he's referencing the fact that they're

3932
02:43:36,710 --> 02:43:35,359
trying to focus on this training thing

3933
02:43:38,469 --> 02:43:36,720
not to be looking

3934
02:43:40,389 --> 02:43:38,479
up out of the cockpit is something in

3935
02:43:42,790 --> 02:43:40,399
the distance so

3936
02:43:45,670 --> 02:43:42,800
and uh and there

3937
02:43:47,030 --> 02:43:45,680
there's three right

3938
02:43:48,950 --> 02:43:47,040
i think there's three objects yeah

3939
02:43:50,309 --> 02:43:48,960
there's like let me see if i can find it

3940
02:43:53,750 --> 02:43:50,319
you mean

3941
02:43:55,590 --> 02:43:53,760
well okay while you're locating that um

3942
02:43:56,550 --> 02:43:55,600
so in the video

3943
02:44:01,510 --> 02:43:56,560
they

3944
02:44:05,830 --> 02:44:01,520
that are going on

3945
02:44:08,870 --> 02:44:05,840
and so for the weapons guy to say

3946
02:44:11,110 --> 02:44:08,880
uh or the the the pilot

3947
02:44:12,630 --> 02:44:11,120
to say that those are jets

3948
02:44:14,710 --> 02:44:12,640
and then when you look at the way that

3949
02:44:17,030 --> 02:44:14,720
these objects are moving

3950
02:44:19,190 --> 02:44:17,040
if those are fast movers that's that's a

3951
02:44:20,630 --> 02:44:19,200
pretty unorthodox

3952
02:44:21,830 --> 02:44:20,640
flight i mean they're not flying

3953
02:44:25,110 --> 02:44:21,840
straight

3954
02:44:27,830 --> 02:44:25,120
right right they're they're very erratic

3955
02:44:29,590 --> 02:44:27,840
in in what is going on and that's very

3956
02:44:31,910 --> 02:44:29,600
interesting to me

3957
02:44:33,830 --> 02:44:31,920
right so i mean the the point of the

3958
02:44:35,910 --> 02:44:33,840
video and why it was sort of unusual i

3959
02:44:38,070 --> 02:44:35,920
think to everybody that saw it was the

3960
02:44:40,870 --> 02:44:38,080
fact that these objects

3961
02:44:43,429 --> 02:44:40,880
appear to maneuver in a way that's very

3962
02:44:45,830 --> 02:44:43,439
unusual and if you kind of look at it at

3963
02:44:47,990 --> 02:44:45,840
one point in the video it looks like

3964
02:44:49,830 --> 02:44:48,000
they're almost like rotating around each

3965
02:44:51,510 --> 02:44:49,840
other they're kind of spinning around

3966
02:44:53,750 --> 02:44:51,520
like this so you know they're going

3967
02:44:55,990 --> 02:44:53,760
along straight there's you know several

3968
02:44:57,429 --> 02:44:56,000
white dots are just kind of moving along

3969
02:44:58,870 --> 02:44:57,439
and then at one point when they get near

3970
02:45:02,070 --> 02:44:58,880
the mountains they sort of do this

3971
02:45:04,070 --> 02:45:02,080
little um dosey doe movement

3972
02:45:05,670 --> 02:45:04,080
and it was just sort of unusual when i

3973
02:45:07,670 --> 02:45:05,680
first saw the video

3974
02:45:10,389 --> 02:45:07,680
i was like wow you know they're so far

3975
02:45:12,150 --> 02:45:10,399
away they're just like microscopic

3976
02:45:13,110 --> 02:45:12,160
little dots

3977
02:45:16,870 --> 02:45:13,120
and

3978
02:45:19,670 --> 02:45:16,880
zebra i can't really like make her

3979
02:45:21,510 --> 02:45:19,680
go ahead go ahead

3980
02:45:22,950 --> 02:45:21,520
um you can't um you can't really like

3981
02:45:25,349 --> 02:45:22,960
tell what they are because they were so

3982
02:45:27,110 --> 02:45:25,359
small i was just like okay so

3983
02:45:28,790 --> 02:45:27,120
using my um

3984
02:45:31,510 --> 02:45:28,800
computer system i said well as soon as

3985
02:45:33,670 --> 02:45:31,520
they this you know i have a decent copy

3986
02:45:36,309 --> 02:45:33,680
of the video i'm just going to kind of

3987
02:45:39,429 --> 02:45:36,319
state ground stabilize it and what that

3988
02:45:41,910 --> 02:45:39,439
means is you kind of grab a piece of the

3989
02:45:43,990 --> 02:45:41,920
ground in the video you know the runway

3990
02:45:46,950 --> 02:45:44,000
or something like that and you tell the

3991
02:45:49,190 --> 02:45:46,960
system okay that i want to make that you

3992
02:45:51,269 --> 02:45:49,200
know stabilized on that point on the

3993
02:45:53,030 --> 02:45:51,279
ground so if your head's moving around

3994
02:45:55,269 --> 02:45:53,040
or whatever i'll just like put it'll

3995
02:45:57,110 --> 02:45:55,279
kind of stop it so then you can see the

3996
02:45:59,429 --> 02:45:57,120
movement of objects like if there's an

3997
02:46:01,429 --> 02:45:59,439
object in the scene you could see that

3998
02:46:05,670 --> 02:46:01,439
object moving around so like okay i

3999
02:46:11,110 --> 02:46:05,680
think i have the video here queued up

4000
02:46:16,070 --> 02:46:13,269
wow there's three really fast flying

4001
02:46:18,230 --> 02:46:16,080
jets up there probably by some 810's or

4002
02:46:29,510 --> 02:46:18,240
some sixteens

4003
02:46:35,110 --> 02:46:32,070
okay um

4004
02:46:37,349 --> 02:46:35,120
now when you when you look at this and

4005
02:46:38,790 --> 02:46:37,359
you can see his helmet you know he's

4006
02:46:41,030 --> 02:46:38,800
looking at it

4007
02:46:43,190 --> 02:46:41,040
wow there's three really fast flying

4008
02:46:50,469 --> 02:46:43,200
jets up there probably probably some

4009
02:46:54,309 --> 02:46:51,590
right you can tell they mean they're

4010
02:46:56,870 --> 02:46:54,319
pretty far away so it's

4011
02:47:00,630 --> 02:46:56,880
they look like it's

4012
02:47:03,110 --> 02:47:00,640
now is it because the apache is moving

4013
02:47:05,510 --> 02:47:03,120
that it looks like it's a

4014
02:47:08,150 --> 02:47:05,520
you know an accelerated speed

4015
02:47:09,990 --> 02:47:08,160
well you know the the helmet um camera

4016
02:47:13,110 --> 02:47:10,000
is moving so you have

4017
02:47:14,469 --> 02:47:13,120
the the entire you know um helmet camera

4018
02:47:16,230 --> 02:47:14,479
controls the

4019
02:47:18,790 --> 02:47:16,240
it's a camera in front on the nose of

4020
02:47:20,550 --> 02:47:18,800
the apache so as he's moving his head

4021
02:47:23,030 --> 02:47:20,560
around like this the camera system is

4022
02:47:24,630 --> 02:47:23,040
moving so you have the helicopter that's

4023
02:47:26,389 --> 02:47:24,640
moving in three dimensions and then on

4024
02:47:28,950 --> 02:47:26,399
top of that you have the camera and it's

4025
02:47:29,750 --> 02:47:28,960
moving around it's a little disorienting

4026
02:47:34,230 --> 02:47:29,760
to

4027
02:47:36,309 --> 02:47:34,240
of what are what are those movements

4028
02:47:39,349 --> 02:47:36,319
what are those objects movements so what

4029
02:47:41,910 --> 02:47:39,359
i did um was i ground stabilized the

4030
02:47:44,389 --> 02:47:41,920
camera so that it took away

4031
02:47:46,230 --> 02:47:44,399
most of the movement of the apache and

4032
02:47:48,070 --> 02:47:46,240
most of the movement of this helmet and

4033
02:47:50,630 --> 02:47:48,080
only left like if it was like on a

4034
02:47:53,269 --> 02:47:50,640
tripod basically to look at what those

4035
02:47:54,790 --> 02:47:53,279
objects were doing and i was kind of

4036
02:47:56,230 --> 02:47:54,800
successful in getting them pretty

4037
02:47:58,469 --> 02:47:56,240
stabilized

4038
02:48:01,110 --> 02:47:58,479
and then i started zooming in on the

4039
02:48:02,630 --> 02:48:01,120
objects and you know like watching them

4040
02:48:04,150 --> 02:48:02,640
as they went and i was kind of like

4041
02:48:06,790 --> 02:48:04,160
kevin's kind of interesting and i

4042
02:48:09,429 --> 02:48:06,800
stabilized it as they got closer to the

4043
02:48:11,349 --> 02:48:09,439
mountains and you know to be honest with

4044
02:48:13,990 --> 02:48:11,359
you they were they looked

4045
02:48:15,269 --> 02:48:14,000
like kind of conventional objects and i

4046
02:48:17,110 --> 02:48:15,279
didn't really know what they were i'm

4047
02:48:18,950 --> 02:48:17,120
just like you know saying that looks

4048
02:48:21,190 --> 02:48:18,960
kind of obvious to me

4049
02:48:23,030 --> 02:48:21,200
and i didn't want to say what i thought

4050
02:48:24,870 --> 02:48:23,040
they were so i went on twitter and i

4051
02:48:26,710 --> 02:48:24,880
just posted this video

4052
02:48:28,389 --> 02:48:26,720
and i said you know i put an arrow next

4053
02:48:31,110 --> 02:48:28,399
to the the object and i go what do you

4054
02:48:32,230 --> 02:48:31,120
think this is what it what is this

4055
02:48:34,550 --> 02:48:32,240
and

4056
02:48:37,750 --> 02:48:34,560
pretty much the overwhelming consensus

4057
02:48:38,630 --> 02:48:37,760
was you know that's a bird you know

4058
02:48:40,469 --> 02:48:38,640
um

4059
02:48:41,910 --> 02:48:40,479
i didn't i'm not the one saying hey man

4060
02:48:43,750 --> 02:48:41,920
that's a bird look i'm just saying what

4061
02:48:45,190 --> 02:48:43,760
do you guys think this is

4062
02:48:47,590 --> 02:48:45,200
and it kind of erupted in a huge

4063
02:48:49,830 --> 02:48:47,600
controversy which twitter is good for as

4064
02:48:52,710 --> 02:48:49,840
you know and there's new and everyone

4065
02:48:53,910 --> 02:48:52,720
got all riled up about it and you know

4066
02:48:56,150 --> 02:48:53,920
saying i don't know what i'm talking

4067
02:48:59,030 --> 02:48:56,160
about and that i am tampering with

4068
02:49:00,870 --> 02:48:59,040
evidence and you know

4069
02:49:02,309 --> 02:49:00,880
i i mean i don't think i did so i just

4070
02:49:04,309 --> 02:49:02,319
basically put the video up there and

4071
02:49:06,389 --> 02:49:04,319
said this is the real video i didn't

4072
02:49:10,790 --> 02:49:06,399
change anything and it certainly looks

4073
02:49:13,269 --> 02:49:10,800
like that to me so now why would you um

4074
02:49:17,910 --> 02:49:13,279
did you see flapping wings did you see a

4075
02:49:21,830 --> 02:49:20,230
i have the video that i stabilized here

4076
02:49:23,429 --> 02:49:21,840
i don't know if it'll work if i go full

4077
02:49:25,670 --> 02:49:23,439
screen on this

4078
02:49:27,349 --> 02:49:25,680
um yeah there you go

4079
02:49:30,630 --> 02:49:27,359
let's go

4080
02:49:34,469 --> 02:49:33,110
uh oh you got to share it

4081
02:49:35,830 --> 02:49:34,479
um

4082
02:49:39,510 --> 02:49:35,840
let's see here

4083
02:49:43,190 --> 02:49:39,520
i'll see it light up i'll say stop stop

4084
02:49:45,349 --> 02:49:43,200
share share let's see share

4085
02:49:50,150 --> 02:49:45,359
stop share and then i'll reshare

4086
02:49:50,160 --> 02:49:55,030
let's see here this one

4087
02:50:01,670 --> 02:49:58,710
yeah there it is okay now blow that up

4088
02:50:04,950 --> 02:50:01,680
okay there you go got it okay here we go

4089
02:50:09,020 --> 02:50:04,960
okay so here's my stabilized

4090
02:50:21,429 --> 02:50:09,030
version of the anomalous objects

4091
02:50:25,830 --> 02:50:24,550
wow okay so right there i zoom in on it

4092
02:50:30,950 --> 02:50:25,840
yeah

4093
02:50:32,950 --> 02:50:30,960
so that's what caused a lot of

4094
02:50:33,990 --> 02:50:32,960
controversy right there that

4095
02:50:34,950 --> 02:50:34,000
section

4096
02:50:39,030 --> 02:50:34,960
yeah

4097
02:50:41,990 --> 02:50:39,040
i don't i honestly i had no intention of

4098
02:50:44,710 --> 02:50:42,000
like saying anyone was

4099
02:50:46,950 --> 02:50:44,720
suggesting that these are

4100
02:50:49,510 --> 02:50:46,960
ufos or whatever i'm just saying hey i'm

4101
02:50:51,910 --> 02:50:49,520
a guy that just took some video

4102
02:50:54,630 --> 02:50:51,920
and stabilized it and put it on twitter

4103
02:50:56,550 --> 02:50:54,640
so yeah yeah yeah well i mean once

4104
02:50:59,110 --> 02:50:56,560
you've stabilized okay

4105
02:51:01,190 --> 02:50:59,120
that yeah that looks like a bird to me

4106
02:51:02,389 --> 02:51:01,200
okay all right now

4107
02:51:04,630 --> 02:51:02,399
um

4108
02:51:10,550 --> 02:51:04,640
how does

4109
02:51:12,150 --> 02:51:10,560
go from a trained pilot um and i know

4110
02:51:14,630 --> 02:51:12,160
you and i talked about this off of the

4111
02:51:15,750 --> 02:51:14,640
air so let's just we'll we'll take this

4112
02:51:19,510 --> 02:51:15,760
on air

4113
02:51:21,830 --> 02:51:19,520
how do we go from a trained pilot to

4114
02:51:23,030 --> 02:51:21,840
actually right the weapons guys these

4115
02:51:25,110 --> 02:51:23,040
are trained

4116
02:51:26,950 --> 02:51:25,120
uh observers

4117
02:51:29,590 --> 02:51:26,960
how do we go from

4118
02:51:30,830 --> 02:51:29,600
those our a-10s

4119
02:51:33,830 --> 02:51:30,840
or

4120
02:51:35,990 --> 02:51:33,840
f-16s to birds

4121
02:51:37,830 --> 02:51:36,000
how wouldn't they see birds from the

4122
02:51:40,790 --> 02:51:37,840
word go i mean

4123
02:51:42,790 --> 02:51:40,800
well don't they know the difference

4124
02:51:44,870 --> 02:51:42,800
well you know i what i would what i

4125
02:51:47,030 --> 02:51:44,880
would suggest would be that they're not

4126
02:51:48,309 --> 02:51:47,040
looking through it's not

4127
02:51:51,030 --> 02:51:48,319
daytime they're looking through this

4128
02:51:52,870 --> 02:51:51,040
very sophisticated head mounted system

4129
02:51:55,190 --> 02:51:52,880
that's something that

4130
02:51:56,790 --> 02:51:55,200
is presented to them in a much like a

4131
02:51:59,590 --> 02:51:56,800
two-dimensional

4132
02:52:01,510 --> 02:51:59,600
view in in a way so they they are seeing

4133
02:52:03,750 --> 02:52:01,520
them that in that way and they're also

4134
02:52:06,790 --> 02:52:03,760
seeing them in a flear view so that

4135
02:52:08,950 --> 02:52:06,800
they're looking at the heat signature of

4136
02:52:11,269 --> 02:52:08,960
the environment that might be

4137
02:52:12,950 --> 02:52:11,279
um put together with the visual as well

4138
02:52:15,670 --> 02:52:12,960
like at a you know a fusion of the

4139
02:52:17,510 --> 02:52:15,680
television or videos and the flear i'm

4140
02:52:19,429 --> 02:52:17,520
not sure um

4141
02:52:21,590 --> 02:52:19,439
actually i didn't find that out but you

4142
02:52:24,230 --> 02:52:21,600
know you're probably looking at a a

4143
02:52:26,150 --> 02:52:24,240
pixel-sized white thing that's moving

4144
02:52:28,790 --> 02:52:26,160
around in front of you so

4145
02:52:31,030 --> 02:52:28,800
unless you have it on radar or you're

4146
02:52:32,870 --> 02:52:31,040
talking to the tower and they've advised

4147
02:52:35,190 --> 02:52:32,880
you that there's some

4148
02:52:37,510 --> 02:52:35,200
f-16s out in front of you you might just

4149
02:52:39,030 --> 02:52:37,520
look up and and see these white things

4150
02:52:41,269 --> 02:52:39,040
out there in front of you and go those

4151
02:52:44,150 --> 02:52:41,279
are jets or something and that's kind of

4152
02:52:45,990 --> 02:52:44,160
how i read it and another um pilot

4153
02:52:47,670 --> 02:52:46,000
friend said when he listened to it he

4154
02:52:50,070 --> 02:52:47,680
thought that the instructor pilot kind

4155
02:52:52,309 --> 02:52:50,080
of sounded like he was um doing a

4156
02:52:54,309 --> 02:52:52,319
checklist or he was involved in you know

4157
02:52:56,309 --> 02:52:54,319
doing the training that he was looking

4158
02:52:58,150 --> 02:52:56,319
into the helicopter cockpit doing

4159
02:53:00,070 --> 02:52:58,160
something in the trainee behind them or

4160
02:53:01,830 --> 02:53:00,080
in front of them you know said you know

4161
02:53:03,670 --> 02:53:01,840
hey you know what what are those out

4162
02:53:06,469 --> 02:53:03,680
there and he looked up and said oh those

4163
02:53:09,110 --> 02:53:06,479
are f-16s or a-10s or something and then

4164
02:53:11,269 --> 02:53:09,120
went back to what he was doing anyway

4165
02:53:12,150 --> 02:53:11,279
all right it was just an offhand comment

4166
02:53:13,910 --> 02:53:12,160
maybe

4167
02:53:16,469 --> 02:53:13,920
if he had you know looked at him a

4168
02:53:18,309 --> 02:53:16,479
little bit more or looked contacted the

4169
02:53:20,870 --> 02:53:18,319
tower or something like that to ask if

4170
02:53:22,389 --> 02:53:20,880
they had any um you know traffic in the

4171
02:53:24,469 --> 02:53:22,399
area they would have said no we don't

4172
02:53:26,309 --> 02:53:24,479
have anything you call clear they would

4173
02:53:28,150 --> 02:53:26,319
know well those are probably not our

4174
02:53:30,870 --> 02:53:28,160
jets then

4175
02:53:32,870 --> 02:53:30,880
so the thing of it is is with depth

4176
02:53:35,590 --> 02:53:32,880
perception looking through a camera

4177
02:53:38,790 --> 02:53:35,600
system it's sometimes somewhat difficult

4178
02:53:40,309 --> 02:53:38,800
in my opinion to judge distance that way

4179
02:53:41,750 --> 02:53:40,319
so you could have something say that's

4180
02:53:43,670 --> 02:53:41,760
small

4181
02:53:46,309 --> 02:53:43,680
like a bird that's you know a couple

4182
02:53:49,190 --> 02:53:46,319
feet wide that's you know i don't know

4183
02:53:52,469 --> 02:53:49,200
300 feet away or a jet that's way bigger

4184
02:53:54,950 --> 02:53:52,479
a lot farther away moving a lot faster

4185
02:53:56,790 --> 02:53:54,960
so you know if you do the calculations

4186
02:53:59,190 --> 02:53:56,800
to look at the the um

4187
02:54:00,389 --> 02:53:59,200
flight path of these objects

4188
02:54:02,150 --> 02:54:00,399
both work

4189
02:54:04,230 --> 02:54:02,160
you can actually work out

4190
02:54:06,710 --> 02:54:04,240
you know a bird flying at 50 miles an

4191
02:54:09,750 --> 02:54:06,720
hour 40 miles an hour in front of the

4192
02:54:11,269 --> 02:54:09,760
helicopter doing the same path as an

4193
02:54:14,070 --> 02:54:11,279
f-16 that's

4194
02:54:16,309 --> 02:54:14,080
you know way far away going you know

4195
02:54:19,269 --> 02:54:16,319
right right right right right

4196
02:54:21,190 --> 02:54:19,279
whatever you know well if um if i was

4197
02:54:24,469 --> 02:54:21,200
shown this

4198
02:54:26,230 --> 02:54:24,479
and nobody said uap nobody said bird you

4199
02:54:29,750 --> 02:54:26,240
know and i'm just looking at the

4200
02:54:32,389 --> 02:54:29,760
stabilized version of it

4201
02:54:35,510 --> 02:54:32,399
i would say that that looks like a bird

4202
02:54:37,110 --> 02:54:35,520
it just it feels it feels

4203
02:54:39,670 --> 02:54:37,120
natural to me

4204
02:54:41,670 --> 02:54:39,680
and then but this is what's strange but

4205
02:54:44,070 --> 02:54:41,680
then when you look at the original video

4206
02:54:46,150 --> 02:54:44,080
without the stabilization

4207
02:54:49,750 --> 02:54:46,160
that looks pretty freaky deaky that

4208
02:54:52,870 --> 02:54:49,760
looks mechanical and acting funny

4209
02:54:54,469 --> 02:54:52,880
right so you have to realize that um you

4210
02:54:55,830 --> 02:54:54,479
know in the beginning there

4211
02:54:58,630 --> 02:54:55,840
right there

4212
02:54:59,990 --> 02:54:58,640
i'm not very close and i'm blowing up

4213
02:55:01,510 --> 02:55:00,000
this video

4214
02:55:04,710 --> 02:55:01,520
to you know

4215
02:55:07,190 --> 02:55:04,720
500 percent or 600 percent i'm scaling

4216
02:55:09,750 --> 02:55:07,200
in what what something would be almost

4217
02:55:11,429 --> 02:55:09,760
imperceptible because it's so small in

4218
02:55:13,190 --> 02:55:11,439
the screen when you're looking at it

4219
02:55:16,550 --> 02:55:13,200
right you can't see that movement you

4220
02:55:18,950 --> 02:55:16,560
have to blow it up to almost full screen

4221
02:55:21,110 --> 02:55:18,960
zoomed in right on the those objects to

4222
02:55:23,190 --> 02:55:21,120
discern the movement the fact that there

4223
02:55:26,230 --> 02:55:23,200
is you can even see that movement is

4224
02:55:28,550 --> 02:55:26,240
pretty extraordinary um it speaks to the

4225
02:55:30,469 --> 02:55:28,560
fact that the sensor system is

4226
02:55:32,230 --> 02:55:30,479
pretty high resolution it was recorded

4227
02:55:35,830 --> 02:55:32,240
on and i don't even think that this

4228
02:55:37,510 --> 02:55:35,840
video was like the final original

4229
02:55:39,590 --> 02:55:37,520
coming out of the helicopter that i was

4230
02:55:41,269 --> 02:55:39,600
using so there might even be a higher

4231
02:55:43,269 --> 02:55:41,279
resolution version

4232
02:55:45,190 --> 02:55:43,279
um of the video floating right right

4233
02:55:47,349 --> 02:55:45,200
right right

4234
02:55:49,510 --> 02:55:47,359
and i and one and jimmy when i was doing

4235
02:55:52,389 --> 02:55:49,520
this i was more interested to like look

4236
02:55:55,030 --> 02:55:52,399
at the cool uap and go wow you know this

4237
02:55:57,030 --> 02:55:55,040
really is anomalous or of course yeah

4238
02:55:59,429 --> 02:55:57,040
yeah yeah i didn't expect to see it but

4239
02:56:00,870 --> 02:55:59,439
when i did i was like okay i'm stopping

4240
02:56:02,230 --> 02:56:00,880
right now because

4241
02:56:03,269 --> 02:56:02,240
um

4242
02:56:05,349 --> 02:56:03,279
i mean that looks like a bird right

4243
02:56:07,910 --> 02:56:05,359
there i'm sorry yeah it does it does it

4244
02:56:09,269 --> 02:56:07,920
does it does i'm on the fence i'm going

4245
02:56:11,910 --> 02:56:09,279
undetermined

4246
02:56:13,269 --> 02:56:11,920
okay well determine i'm going yeah yeah

4247
02:56:15,349 --> 02:56:13,279
i mean well let me just add one more

4248
02:56:18,950 --> 02:56:15,359
little piece of evidence i did reach out

4249
02:56:20,150 --> 02:56:18,960
to the uh tucson arizona area autobahn

4250
02:56:22,790 --> 02:56:20,160
society

4251
02:56:25,510 --> 02:56:22,800
and um did eventually reach an

4252
02:56:27,590 --> 02:56:25,520
individual there that you know i showed

4253
02:56:29,510 --> 02:56:27,600
him the video and i said you know my

4254
02:56:32,389 --> 02:56:29,520
thought that this might be birds and he

4255
02:56:33,670 --> 02:56:32,399
said well there is a species of

4256
02:56:37,190 --> 02:56:33,680
nighthawk

4257
02:56:38,550 --> 02:56:37,200
that migrates into arizona in the spring

4258
02:56:39,429 --> 02:56:38,560
and i'm not sure when they leave or

4259
02:56:42,309 --> 02:56:39,439
whatever

4260
02:56:44,469 --> 02:56:42,319
that does fit this type of night

4261
02:56:45,670 --> 02:56:44,479
activity where they travel and they hunt

4262
02:56:46,550 --> 02:56:45,680
at night

4263
02:56:47,750 --> 02:56:46,560
um

4264
02:56:49,269 --> 02:56:47,760
and so when he's thought he's like it

4265
02:56:51,110 --> 02:56:49,279
could be you know i'm not saying that's

4266
02:56:53,110 --> 02:56:51,120
what it is so

4267
02:56:54,630 --> 02:56:53,120
yeah and and that's the other thing this

4268
02:56:55,590 --> 02:56:54,640
was shot at night

4269
02:57:04,870 --> 02:56:55,600
it

4270
02:57:07,670 --> 02:57:04,880
and there wasn't a a visual way to look

4271
02:57:09,030 --> 02:57:07,680
on and see if it was an a-10 or a bird

4272
02:57:09,910 --> 02:57:09,040
or a kite

4273
02:57:11,830 --> 02:57:09,920
or

4274
02:57:13,990 --> 02:57:11,840
a kid with his uh

4275
02:57:16,230 --> 02:57:14,000
spider-man drone you know you don't know

4276
02:57:18,870 --> 02:57:16,240
you don't know this that night

4277
02:57:21,349 --> 02:57:18,880
dave you are the absolute very best man

4278
02:57:23,590 --> 02:57:21,359
and and this

4279
02:57:27,190 --> 02:57:23,600
let's go back here we started off the

4280
02:57:29,750 --> 02:57:27,200
show with the uss kearsarge uh that is

4281
02:57:31,590 --> 02:57:29,760
far from resolved i think that we're

4282
02:57:32,469 --> 02:57:31,600
gonna definitely

4283
02:57:35,510 --> 02:57:32,479
uh

4284
02:57:38,710 --> 02:57:35,520
continue to investigate that not only us

4285
02:57:40,309 --> 02:57:38,720
but the uap task force and this uss

4286
02:57:42,630 --> 02:57:40,319
ronald reagan

4287
02:57:45,590 --> 02:57:42,640
um we need some more crew members to

4288
02:57:48,070 --> 02:57:45,600
come forward and there's probably a way

4289
02:57:50,790 --> 02:57:48,080
to foia something on that i don't think

4290
02:57:52,950 --> 02:57:50,800
that there's any way that that was just

4291
02:57:55,349 --> 02:57:52,960
completely a non-event

4292
02:57:58,309 --> 02:57:55,359
and and was not logged i understand what

4293
02:58:00,309 --> 02:57:58,319
carl said that he didn't log it but

4294
02:58:02,710 --> 02:58:00,319
you've got a lot of crew members there

4295
02:58:05,190 --> 02:58:02,720
and um i think that's a very interesting

4296
02:58:07,110 --> 02:58:05,200
situation we find ourselves in it's uh

4297
02:58:09,429 --> 02:58:07,120
an incredible case

4298
02:58:12,630 --> 02:58:09,439
yeah absolutely i mean the

4299
02:58:14,230 --> 02:58:12,640
i've talked to five people that saw this

4300
02:58:16,630 --> 02:58:14,240
like remarkable thing it's just

4301
02:58:18,309 --> 02:58:16,640
incredible i hope to get i have like two

4302
02:58:20,469 --> 02:58:18,319
more interviews in the can that i'm

4303
02:58:22,710 --> 02:58:20,479
gonna push out pretty soon as soon as i

4304
02:58:25,110 --> 02:58:22,720
get a chance to edit them and both the

4305
02:58:26,309 --> 02:58:25,120
interviews are like really really

4306
02:58:28,070 --> 02:58:26,319
interesting

4307
02:58:30,630 --> 02:58:28,080
thank you so much dave for everything

4308
02:58:32,469 --> 02:58:30,640
that you've done and i'm gonna repeat

4309
02:58:34,070 --> 02:58:32,479
what i said to dave

4310
02:58:37,110 --> 02:58:34,080
last week

4311
02:58:39,590 --> 02:58:37,120
which is this when it comes to trying to

4312
02:58:41,349 --> 02:58:39,600
figure out what's going on we have to

4313
02:58:43,590 --> 02:58:41,359
listen to everybody

4314
02:58:46,070 --> 02:58:43,600
everybody's welcome to the table let's

4315
02:58:48,070 --> 02:58:46,080
get every just like carl said right

4316
02:58:49,830 --> 02:58:48,080
nobody had the same description about

4317
02:58:53,429 --> 02:58:49,840
what went on well that's that's the way

4318
02:58:55,670 --> 02:58:53,439
to let's get it all everybody just

4319
02:58:58,630 --> 02:58:55,680
different minds different eyes different

4320
02:58:59,990 --> 02:58:58,640
conclusions different expertise let's

4321
02:59:01,670 --> 02:59:00,000
get it all on the table and try to

4322
02:59:04,309 --> 02:59:01,680
figure out what's going on and dave you

4323
02:59:05,349 --> 02:59:04,319
play a big part in all of that thank you

4324
02:59:07,190 --> 02:59:05,359
my friend

4325
02:59:09,190 --> 02:59:07,200
thank you so much i totally agree with

4326
02:59:11,990 --> 02:59:09,200
you i mean if we all work together and

4327
02:59:13,590 --> 02:59:12,000
just try not to get angry and you know

4328
02:59:15,510 --> 02:59:13,600
if we i think if we all put our minds

4329
02:59:17,269 --> 02:59:15,520
together we probably can come eventually

4330
02:59:18,389 --> 02:59:17,279
come up with an answer yeah it was so

4331
02:59:20,550 --> 02:59:18,399
funny because dave and i were talking

4332
02:59:20,960 --> 02:59:20,560
last week we weren't agreeing with each

4333
02:59:22,150 --> 02:59:20,970
other

4334
02:59:24,550 --> 02:59:22,160
[Laughter]

4335
02:59:27,670 --> 02:59:24,560
which was which was the point

4336
02:59:30,389 --> 02:59:27,680
you know let's just that we can talk to

4337
02:59:32,550 --> 02:59:30,399
each other let's try to figure this out

4338
02:59:34,630 --> 02:59:32,560
and that's it and that and what what a

4339
02:59:37,190 --> 02:59:34,640
great world it would be if suddenly

4340
02:59:38,710 --> 02:59:37,200
everybody started listening and maybe

4341
02:59:40,070 --> 02:59:38,720
not talking as much

4342
02:59:42,070 --> 02:59:40,080
so there you go

4343
02:59:44,550 --> 02:59:42,080
dave enjoy the rest of your night and

4344
02:59:47,030 --> 02:59:44,560
thank you so much what a great show and

4345
02:59:49,830 --> 02:59:47,040
uh and thank carl for us too as well for

4346
02:59:52,230 --> 02:59:49,840
coming on that was uh unbelievably great

4347
02:59:54,389 --> 02:59:52,240
absolutely yeah i really appreciate it

4348
02:59:56,469 --> 02:59:54,399
thank you dave dave beatty dave where

4349
02:59:58,550 --> 02:59:56,479
can everybody see your stuff

4350
03:00:00,389 --> 02:59:58,560
well on youtube if you if you do look up

4351
03:00:01,910 --> 03:00:00,399
the nimitz encounters it usually pops up

4352
03:00:04,309 --> 03:00:01,920
i have a youtube channel there and i try

4353
03:00:09,269 --> 03:00:04,319
to put all these interviews on that one

4354
03:00:12,630 --> 03:00:11,030
um thenimitzencounters.com that's you'll

4355
03:00:15,190 --> 03:00:12,640
also find a link to the video there if

4356
03:00:16,710 --> 03:00:15,200
you can't find it on youtube and as

4357
03:00:19,110 --> 03:00:16,720
jimmy said that he's going to put a link

4358
03:00:21,349 --> 03:00:19,120
into the medium articles yeah i've got

4359
03:00:23,910 --> 03:00:21,359
the medium articles linked and those are

4360
03:00:26,630 --> 03:00:23,920
both great one on the kearsarge at

4361
03:00:28,550 --> 03:00:26,640
kearsarge and the other one on the uss

4362
03:00:31,190 --> 03:00:28,560
ronald reagan those are right there too

4363
03:00:33,030 --> 03:00:31,200
as well dave get some sleep thank you so

4364
03:00:34,950 --> 03:00:33,040
much for staying up with us tonight

4365
03:00:37,670 --> 03:00:34,960
appreciate it no problem

4366
03:00:40,469 --> 03:00:37,680
dave beatty and with that i've got to

4367
03:00:43,030 --> 03:00:40,479
get straight to the credits

4368
03:00:45,030 --> 03:00:43,040
wow we just went pole to pole

4369
03:00:47,269 --> 03:00:45,040
and and beginning

4370
03:00:50,070 --> 03:00:47,279
with uh tonight's show

4371
03:00:52,469 --> 03:00:50,080
so much fun just excellent

4372
03:00:54,790 --> 03:00:52,479
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4373
03:00:57,670 --> 03:00:54,800
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4374
03:01:00,309 --> 03:00:57,680
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4375
03:01:01,990 --> 03:01:00,319
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4376
03:01:05,670 --> 03:01:02,000
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4377
03:01:07,910 --> 03:01:05,680
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4378
03:01:09,110 --> 03:01:07,920
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4379
03:01:12,309 --> 03:01:09,120
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4380
03:01:14,150 --> 03:01:12,319
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4381
03:01:16,550 --> 03:01:14,160
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4382
03:01:18,309 --> 03:01:16,560
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4383
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4384
03:01:21,670 --> 03:01:20,160
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4385
03:01:23,750 --> 03:01:21,680
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4386
03:01:24,630 --> 03:01:23,760
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4387
03:01:27,030 --> 03:01:24,640
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4388
03:01:29,349 --> 03:01:27,040
tomorrow night right here jason quit

4389
03:01:33,190 --> 03:01:29,359
quit spirity

4390
03:01:36,850 --> 03:01:33,200
until then i want everybody to be safe

4391
03:01:49,960 --> 03:01:36,860
it's time to fade to black